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Briggs & Stratton Engine Problem Manjo 04-16-2008
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Posted by Manjo on April 17, 2008, 9:16 am
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >I have a leaf blower that uses a 5 hp B&S "L" head engine. =A0The carb
> >is pretty simple with a choke butterfly, throttle butterfly, and
> >rubber diaphragm fuel pump. =A0The carb sits on top of the fule tank.
> >The carb has no bowl. =A0The governor linakges are clean and the
> >governor appears to be working fine.
>
> >The leaf blower was starting to run poorly last fall. =A0This spring it
> >started right up, but after4-5 seconds after running smoothly at
> >proper speed, it will slowly loose rpms and finally stop after 15-20
> >seconds.
>
> >I have cleaned the pick-up tube, replaced the carburetor diaphragm
> >fuel pump along with the gaskets between the carb and the fuel tank,
> >and the gasket between the carb and the engine. =A0I've also
> >disconnected the engine ground wire that normally kills the engine
> >when the throttle is tuned full off. =A0But after doing all this the
> >engine still will not stay running for more than 30 - 40 seconds.
>
> >Thanks in advance for any tips, suggestions, or coments.
>
> >Manjo
>
> Examine the spark plug or just replace it. Check for fuel /air mixture
> adjustment. Make sure air filter is clean.
>
> Compare sprak plug to this chart.
>
> http://hawkworks.net/sparkplug-chart/- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Sorry, forgot to reply to additinal tips:

I get the same engine dying with and without the air filter in place.

As for spark plug color, the new spark plug looks a bit oil covered,
but I'm guessing the shiny look is more form unburnt gas, but I'm not
sure.

Manjo

Posted by Jeff Wisnia on April 17, 2008, 5:31 pm
Manjo wrote:
> I have a leaf blower that uses a 5 hp B&S "L" head engine. The carb
> is pretty simple with a choke butterfly, throttle butterfly, and
> rubber diaphragm fuel pump. The carb sits on top of the fule tank.
> The carb has no bowl. The governor linakges are clean and the
> governor appears to be working fine.
>
> The leaf blower was starting to run poorly last fall. This spring it
> started right up, but after4-5 seconds after running smoothly at
> proper speed, it will slowly loose rpms and finally stop after 15-20
> seconds.
>
> I have cleaned the pick-up tube, replaced the carburetor diaphragm
> fuel pump along with the gaskets between the carb and the fuel tank,
> and the gasket between the carb and the engine. I've also
> disconnected the engine ground wire that normally kills the engine
> when the throttle is tuned full off. But after doing all this the
> engine still will not stay running for more than 30 - 40 seconds.
>
> Thanks in advance for any tips, suggestions, or coments.
>
> Manjo


Any chance the choke butterfly is oozing closed somehow?

Last year I had a similar frustrating problem with the vertical shaft
Tecumseh on my rotary mower. If I pushed down on the handle to raise the
front of the mower the engine would slow down noticably, but not stop.

I tried all the usuals, including draining and cleaning the fuel tank
and disassembling, cleaning and reassembling the carb with new caskets, etc.

Nothing changed, the engine still slowed down when tilted slightly back.
Not wanting to make a PhD thesis out of it I just bought a new carb
online, installed it and "Bob's yer uncle", problem gone.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.


Posted by Manjo on April 18, 2008, 12:22 pm
> I have a leaf blower that uses a 5 hp B&S "L" head engine. =A0The carb
> is pretty simple with a choke butterfly, throttle butterfly, and
> rubber diaphragm fuel pump. =A0The carb sits on top of the fule tank.
> The carb has no bowl. =A0The governor linakges are clean and the
> governor appears to be working fine.
>
> The leaf blower was starting to run poorly last fall. =A0This spring it
> started right up, but after4-5 seconds after running smoothly at
> proper speed, it will slowly loose rpms and finally stop after 15-20
> seconds.
>
> I have cleaned the pick-up tube, replaced the carburetor diaphragm
> fuel pump along with the gaskets between the carb and the fuel tank,
> and the gasket between the carb and the engine. =A0I've also
> disconnected the engine ground wire that normally kills the engine
> when the throttle is tuned full off. =A0But after doing all this the
> engine still will not stay running for more than 30 - 40 seconds.
>
> Thanks in advance for any tips, suggestions, or coments.
>
> Manjo

The engine starts, revs properly and then dies with the choke
partially or fully OFF about the same time. Keeping the choke on full
kills the engine faster.

GROUP REPLY TO Don, Jeff, jp (might be a duplicate post)

A couple of days ago when I started working on this problem, the fuel
intake screen at the bottom of the intake tube in the gas tank had a
lot of junk in it. I pulled the intake tube off the brass intake tube
and sprayed both with non-residue brake cleaner fluid and blew air
through the tubes both ways to clean them out.

Yesterday, I DID take the gas tank completely off the engine and used
filtered gasoline to flush the tank. I swirled the gas in the tank
and then poured the gas from the tank into a funnel lined with a paper
filter. The funnel/filter were feeding into a clean gas container. I
did this several times and I DID get A LOT more debris out of the
tank. Most of the pieces were about 1/64th to 1/32nd of an inch.
Some stuff was black and other pieces were sand in color. I=92m
wondering if stuff is getting TEMPORARILY sucked up against the intake
screen killing the engine, then the debris drops back on to the bottom
of the tank when the engine dies???

There is no fuel line and no inline fuel filter other than the wire
screeen at the bottom of the intake tube. The carb fits directly on
top of and is bolted to the fuel tank and then the carb is bolted to
the engine. There's no fuel line. There's a nylon or plastic feed
tube from the carb into the tank. There's also a small reservoir at
the top of the tank that looks like a idle feed tube with an intake
jet at the bottom that I believe feeds the carb's idle circuit. I
blew compressed air through all the carb circuits yesterday, but TODAY
I will also spray Berryman=92s carb cleaner through all the circuits
before putting everything back together.

I have the air filter off the carb and can see the entire choke
butterfly. The butterfly arm sits in a slotted nylon detent that
holds the arm in place. As far as I can tell, the butterfly is
staying firmly in place. I don't have a tilting problem since the
carb has no carb bowl or float.

I have gotten the engine to run a second or two longer each time I
spray engine-starting fuel into the carb intake (at the choke
butterfly). But even constantly spraying starter fluid into the carb
won=92t keep it running. I have not tried spraying gas into the carb
because I'm assuming the starter fluid is more condensed and more
volatile than regular gas.

I hope it is a fuel starvation problem and this will fix the dying
problem. If it doesn't, then I'm going to replace the magneto.

Thanks for all the great tips and replies. Please keep them coming if
you see I'm missing anything.

Manjo

Posted by Manjo on April 18, 2008, 6:04 pm
>
>
>
>
>
> > I have a leaf blower that uses a 5 hp B&S "L" head engine. =A0The carb
> > is pretty simple with a choke butterfly, throttle butterfly, and
> > rubber diaphragm fuel pump. =A0The carb sits on top of the fule tank.
> > The carb has no bowl. =A0The governor linakges are clean and the
> > governor appears to be working fine.
>
> > The leaf blower was starting to run poorly last fall. =A0This spring it
> > started right up, but after4-5 seconds after running smoothly at
> > proper speed, it will slowly loose rpms and finally stop after 15-20
> > seconds.
>
> > I have cleaned the pick-up tube, replaced the carburetor diaphragm
> > fuel pump along with the gaskets between the carb and the fuel tank,
> > and the gasket between the carb and the engine. =A0I've also
> > disconnected the engine ground wire that normally kills the engine
> > when the throttle is tuned full off. =A0But after doing all this the
> > engine still will not stay running for more than 30 - 40 seconds.
>
> > Thanks in advance for any tips, suggestions, or coments.
>
> > Manjo
>
> The engine starts, revs properly and then dies with the choke
> partially or fully OFF about the same time. =A0Keeping the choke on full
> kills the engine faster.
>
> GROUP REPLY TO Don, Jeff, jp (might be a duplicate post)
>
> A couple of days ago when I started working on this problem, the fuel
> intake screen at the bottom of the intake tube in the gas tank had a
> lot of junk in it. =A0I pulled the intake tube off the brass intake tube
> and sprayed both with non-residue brake cleaner fluid and blew air
> through the tubes both ways to clean them out.
>
> Yesterday, I DID take the gas tank completely off the engine and used
> filtered gasoline to flush the tank. =A0I swirled the gas in the tank
> and then poured the gas from the tank into a funnel lined with a paper
> filter. =A0The funnel/filter were feeding into a clean gas container. I
> did this several times and I DID get A LOT more debris out of the
> tank. =A0Most of the pieces were about 1/64th to 1/32nd of an inch.
> Some stuff was black and other pieces were sand in color. =A0I=92m
> wondering if stuff is getting TEMPORARILY sucked up against the intake
> screen killing the engine, then the debris drops back on to the bottom
> of the tank when the engine dies???
>
> There is no fuel line and no inline fuel filter other than the wire
> screeen at the bottom of the intake tube. The carb fits directly on
> top of and is bolted to the fuel tank and then the carb is bolted to
> the engine. =A0There's no fuel line. =A0There's a nylon or plastic feed
> tube from the carb into the tank. =A0There's also a small reservoir at
> the top of the tank that looks like a idle feed tube with an intake
> jet at the bottom that I believe feeds the carb's idle circuit. =A0I
> blew compressed air through all the carb circuits yesterday, but TODAY
> I will also spray Berryman=92s carb cleaner through all the circuits
> before putting everything back together.
>
> I have the air filter off the carb and can see the entire choke
> butterfly. =A0The butterfly arm sits in a slotted nylon detent that
> holds the arm in place. =A0As far as I can tell, the butterfly is
> staying firmly in place. =A0I don't have a tilting problem since the
> carb has no carb bowl or float.
>
> I have gotten the engine to run a second or two longer each time I
> spray engine-starting fuel into the carb intake (at the choke
> butterfly). =A0But even constantly spraying starter fluid into the carb
> won=92t keep it running. =A0I have not tried spraying gas into the carb
> because I'm assuming the starter fluid is more condensed and more
> volatile than regular gas.
>
> I hope it is a fuel starvation problem and this will fix the dying
> problem. =A0If it doesn't, then I'm going to replace the magneto.
>
> Thanks for all the great tips and replies. =A0Please keep them coming if
> you see I'm missing anything.
>
> Manjo- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Got it all back together and it ran just a bit better. The engine
still runs fine for a few seconds and then start the same decline
until it stops.

I watched everything and it all seemed to function correctly. I then
tried pressing down and twisting the spark plug cap and the engine
"seemed" to run a little longer at proper rpm, but it still died. I
crimped the spark plug c0onnector and it ran a few seconds more, but
still died.

My current theory is there's a magneto or spark plug cable problem.
I'm going to try crimping the spark plug cap tighter and if that
helps, but doesn=92t solve the problem, I'll take the magneto off the
engine and check it visually.

Does anyone know how to test a magneto? My magneto is behind the pull
starter and cover combination, and to gain access to the magneto
requires removing the cover, but no way to hand starts the engine with
the recoil starter off the engine. Right now, when I do an ohms test,
I get 2,500 ohms with one probe on the spark plug cap and the other
probe against the magneto body. Does anyone know what voltage the
magneto is creating? Can a standard voltmeter be set-up between the
spark plug and spark plug cap for a reading, or will the magneto blow
out the meter?

TIA for everyone's help.

Manjo

Posted by on April 18, 2008, 7:22 pm
>
>
>
>
> > > I have a leaf blower that uses a 5 hp B&S "L" head engine. The carb
> > > is pretty simple with a choke butterfly, throttle butterfly, and
> > > rubber diaphragm fuel pump. The carb sits on top of the fule tank.
> > > The carb has no bowl. The governor linakges are clean and the
> > > governor appears to be working fine.
>
> > > The leaf blower was starting to run poorly last fall. This spring it
> > > started right up, but after4-5 seconds after running smoothly at
> > > proper speed, it will slowly loose rpms and finally stop after 15-20
> > > seconds.
>
> > > I have cleaned the pick-up tube, replaced the carburetor diaphragm
> > > fuel pump along with the gaskets between the carb and the fuel tank,
> > > and the gasket between the carb and the engine. I've also
> > > disconnected the engine ground wire that normally kills the engine
> > > when the throttle is tuned full off. But after doing all this the
> > > engine still will not stay running for more than 30 - 40 seconds.
>
> > > Thanks in advance for any tips, suggestions, or coments.
>
> > > Manjo
>
> > The engine starts, revs properly and then dies with the choke
> > partially or fully OFF about the same time. Keeping the choke on full
> > kills the engine faster.
>
> > GROUP REPLY TO Don, Jeff, jp (might be a duplicate post)
>
> > A couple of days ago when I started working on this problem, the fuel
> > intake screen at the bottom of the intake tube in the gas tank had a
> > lot of junk in it. I pulled the intake tube off the brass intake tube
> > and sprayed both with non-residue brake cleaner fluid and blew air
> > through the tubes both ways to clean them out.
>
> > Yesterday, I DID take the gas tank completely off the engine and used
> > filtered gasoline to flush the tank. I swirled the gas in the tank
> > and then poured the gas from the tank into a funnel lined with a paper
> > filter. The funnel/filter were feeding into a clean gas container. I
> > did this several times and I DID get A LOT more debris out of the
> > tank. Most of the pieces were about 1/64th to 1/32nd of an inch.
> > Some stuff was black and other pieces were sand in color. I=92m
> > wondering if stuff is getting TEMPORARILY sucked up against the intake
> > screen killing the engine, then the debris drops back on to the bottom
> > of the tank when the engine dies???
>
> > There is no fuel line and no inline fuel filter other than the wire
> > screeen at the bottom of the intake tube. The carb fits directly on
> > top of and is bolted to the fuel tank and then the carb is bolted to
> > the engine. There's no fuel line. There's a nylon or plastic feed
> > tube from the carb into the tank. There's also a small reservoir at
> > the top of the tank that looks like a idle feed tube with an intake
> > jet at the bottom that I believe feeds the carb's idle circuit. I
> > blew compressed air through all the carb circuits yesterday, but TODAY
> > I will also spray Berryman=92s carb cleaner through all the circuits
> > before putting everything back together.
>
> > I have the air filter off the carb and can see the entire choke
> > butterfly. The butterfly arm sits in a slotted nylon detent that
> > holds the arm in place. As far as I can tell, the butterfly is
> > staying firmly in place. I don't have a tilting problem since the
> > carb has no carb bowl or float.
>
> > I have gotten the engine to run a second or two longer each time I
> > spray engine-starting fuel into the carb intake (at the choke
> > butterfly). But even constantly spraying starter fluid into the carb
> > won=92t keep it running. I have not tried spraying gas into the carb
> > because I'm assuming the starter fluid is more condensed and more
> > volatile than regular gas.
>
> > I hope it is a fuel starvation problem and this will fix the dying
> > problem. If it doesn't, then I'm going to replace the magneto.
>
> > Thanks for all the great tips and replies. Please keep them coming if
> > you see I'm missing anything.
>
> > Manjo- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Got it all back together and it ran just a bit better. The engine
> still runs fine for a few seconds and then start the same decline
> until it stops.
>
> I watched everything and it all seemed to function correctly. I then
> tried pressing down and twisting the spark plug cap and the engine
> "seemed" to run a little longer at proper rpm, but it still died. I
> crimped the spark plug c0onnector and it ran a few seconds more, but
> still died.
>
> My current theory is there's a magneto or spark plug cable problem.
> I'm going to try crimping the spark plug cap tighter and if that
> helps, but doesn=92t solve the problem, I'll take the magneto off the
> engine and check it visually.
>
> Does anyone know how to test a magneto? My magneto is behind the pull
> starter and cover combination, and to gain access to the magneto
> requires removing the cover, but no way to hand starts the engine with
> the recoil starter off the engine. Right now, when I do an ohms test,
> I get 2,500 ohms with one probe on the spark plug cap and the other
> probe against the magneto body. Does anyone know what voltage the
> magneto is creating? Can a standard voltmeter be set-up between the
> spark plug and spark plug cap for a reading, or will the magneto blow
> out the meter?
>
> TIA for everyone's help.
>
> Manjo

When you had the carb apart to change the diaphragm and clean the pick-
up tube...did you shoot carb cleaner thru the jets to see if they are
clear?

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