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Posted by Robert Green on November 7, 2009, 5:58 pm
> > > One would wonder about the long-term stability of the rest against
> > > extraordinary high wind, particularly if the supposition there might
be
> > > inferior work as compared to design in play were to be true...
> > > It really is hard to fathom there would be no steel reinforcement in
the
> > > design...
> > chinese find awesome cost cutting methods.
> > did you know 45,000 died last year in mining accidents?
> > The US should allow ALL imports, but require them to meet US health,
> > safety and workers rules........
> Then there were be no point in having exported several million
manufacturing
> jobs out of the country (he says with deep sarcasm). ?Anyone who thinks
> those jobs are coming back is smoking jimson weed or worse. ?The Chinese
> version of OSHA is: anyone complaining about workplace safety is taken
away
> and shot and their families are sent a bill for the bullets. ?The scariest
> part is that they could sink us (and perhaps themselves and maybe the
whole
> world) by just selling all the US bonds they are holding. ?I read today
that
> the real, "uncooked" jobless rate is over 17%. ?That's close to 1 out of
> every 5 workers being out of work.
> --
> Bobby G.
>yeah NAFTA was a BAD idea.............
>the machines I sell and service for a living now come from china.
I've heard a number of people tell me that their factory was disassembled,
crated and sent over to China. That's going to turn out to be as smart as
when we sold Japan scrap steel from the 3rd Av. El only to see it come back
in the form of battleships and aircraft carriers that killed our soldiers
and sailors. We'll go toe-to-toe with the Chinese someday. "The two
biggest kids on the block, they're bound to get in a fight."
By the time we end up in a fight a strong national military, ours will have
been so well trained in fighting terrorists in hiding in the hills that we
may take quite a beating. Instead, we're doing what we've done for the last
100 years: fought Europe's wars for them. Iran's missiles will land in
Spain, England, Germany, Russia and Italy a long, long time before they ever
reach the US. Saddam was a bigger threat to his neighbors than he ever was
to us. But who spent trillions in treasure to fight him while bleeding out
jobs by the millions?
>my family in phoenix is devastated, nearly all manfacturing jobs went
>to mexico, home prices are in free fall, severe unemployment.
Sorry to hear that. When SocialSec blows up, lots of boomers are going to
be in bad, bad shape. No one's talking about how the unemployment rate
means there are fewer people than ever paying into the system. Without
another technical miracle like the PC (no, it wasn't tax cuts that made the
90's so fruitful) we're in bad, bad shape.
>how long will recovery take 5 years? 10? 20:(
No one even talks about the worst case scenario and that's we never recover.
I read that the bozos that did all the fancy hedge fund risk predictions had
deliberately excluded the Great Depression from their calculations. Ostrich
mathematics.
>the only way we can compete is moving to robotics with artifical
>intelligence.
Maybe. I believe only a national commitment to solar like the one JFK made
to reach the moon *might* save us. I read an article that said robotics
firms are suffering in Japan and many robots that are leased out are "out of
work." When robots go on the unemployment line, you KNOW you've got a
serious depression on your hands.
>or drop our standard of living to near match 3rd world countries
Equilibrium. I don't see how we could have expected anything else from
exporting all our jobs to the 3rd world and then selling them the equity in
our homes to pay for all the cheap goods they were able to produce. Their
S.O.L. rises, ours falls. Water seeks its own level sort of thing.
I think the bottom line is that Malthus was right at the wrong time. The
earth just can't support 8 or 10 billion people. The do-gooders like Bill
Gates bringing medicine and lower death rates to people who can barely feed
themselves as it is are really just adding to the crisis that will hit us
like a hammer 20 years from now when the population of the world explodes.
For every powerplant we equip with scrubbers, China builds two new ones
without.
--
Bobby G.
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> extraordinary high wind, particularly if the supposition there might be
> inferior work as compared to design in play were to be true...
> It really is hard to fathom there would be no steel reinforcement in the
> design...