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Building steps JIMMIE 05-17-2009
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Posted by bob haller on May 18, 2009, 4:57 pm
> On May 18, 3:00=EF=BF=BDpm, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
> > I never said that corroding rebar in concrete couldn't cause a problem =
-- I'm
> > simply taking issue with your stand that putting steel into concrete
> > *automatically* poses a corrosion problem that will necessarily destroy=
the
> > concrete.
> This is what I wrote in my first response to the OP:
> "Another reason is that iron has a tendency to rust. =EF=BF=BDWhen it rus=
ts it
> expands. =EF=BF=BDThis would put the concrete in tension and concrete rea=
lly
> doesn't like to be put in tension. =EF=BF=BDIn other words it would tend =
to
> break up the steps.
> Use rocks, brick, or other busted up concrete if you need some filler.
> "
> I used the words tendency, would, tend to - there is nothing there
> that says in all occasions all steel rusts. =EF=BF=BDI also put the rusti=
ng
> issue in second place in my short list of reasons. =EF=BF=BDYou made a ma=
ssive
> assumption that I was somehow referring to all situations and you got
> snarky about it.
> Your two comments;
> "How are they going to get bigger while they're encased in concrete?"
> and
> "Oh, for heaven's sake. Haven't you ever heard of rebar?"
> imply that you equated an engine block dumped in a hole in the ground,
> with engineered and correctly installed reinforced concrete. =EF=BF=BDI t=
ook
> exception to that.
> I appreciate that you think the OP - a guy who wants to toss a
> considerable quantity of scrap iron into a set of steps as filler - as
> being so clued in to the correct amount of concrete coverage, and
> would know how to suspend an engine block to insure that amount of
> coverage. =EF=BF=BDI have no such illusions.
> R

ideally all rebar should be non magnetic stainless, which never
rusts.........

Posted by PeterD on May 18, 2009, 7:18 pm
wrote:


>ideally all rebar should be non magnetic stainless, which never
>rusts.........

Ideally all people should understand the various properties of
'stainless steel'... <g> Stainless rusts just fine when *not* exposed
to air!

Posted by bob haller on May 19, 2009, 7:40 am
> wrote:
> >ideally all rebar should be non magnetic stainless, which never
> >rusts.........
> Ideally all people should understand the various properties of
> 'stainless steel'... <g> Stainless rusts just fine when *not* exposed
> to air!

I would like a link to that! I was told non magnetic stainless doesnt
rust.

What makes this problem worse in florida was the use of beach sand
containg salt.

this info courtesy of this old house episode:)

Posted by PeterD on May 19, 2009, 9:19 am
wrote:

>> wrote:
>> >ideally all rebar should be non magnetic stainless, which never
>> >rusts.........
>> Ideally all people should understand the various properties of
>> 'stainless steel'... <g> Stainless rusts just fine when *not* exposed
>> to air!
>I would like a link to that! I was told non magnetic stainless doesnt
>rust.

I'll see what I can dig up. This is 'common knowledge' among boat
builders, but not others. Problem being that the stainless looks
really good on the exposed surfaces, then when you try to remove it,
you find a 'ton' of rust on the burried parts. You could also try
searching various marine sites too, I'm sure you will find it.

FWIW, I didn't believe it when I was told first about the problem,
then managed to see it as I did work on boats.

>What makes this problem worse in florida was the use of beach sand
>containg salt.

I think the entire state of Florida contains salt! <g> WHere in
Florida are you, I'm frequnently in Tampa, and when to high school in
NPR.

>this info courtesy of this old house episode:)

Posted by RicodJour on May 19, 2009, 9:35 am
> wrote:
> >I would like a link to that! I was told non magnetic stainless doesnt
> >rust.
> I'll see what I can dig up. This is 'common knowledge' among boat
> builders, but not others. Problem being that the stainless looks
> really good on the exposed surfaces, then when you try to remove it,
> you find a 'ton' of rust on the burried parts. You could also try
> searching various marine sites too, I'm sure you will find it.
> FWIW, I didn't believe it when I was told first about the problem,
> then managed to see it as I did work on boats.

Oxygen is inseparable from oxidation (rusting). I think it's more
likely that moisture was getting into those hidden areas and staying
there longer.

R

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