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CATV splitter? Nate Nagel 01-12-2007
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Posted by DerbyDad03 on January 13, 2007, 12:40 am


Todd,

Thanks for the detailed response. Happy viewing.

Todd H. wrote:
>
> > Could you explain the bi-directional amp comment?
>
> The amps aren't bi-directional really, it's just that they have a
> passive return path so as to minimize their interference with the
> upstream data transmission from the cable modem back to the head end.
> THe cable modem has its own gain/amplifier for that path, and part of
> it's "training up" in negotiation with the head end is setting that
> gain. Without a passive return in an amp, the upstream channel is
> pretty well doomed.
>
> However, it is best to not have an amp in the cable modem's way at
> all. The preferred method is to use a directional coupler (aka one
> way tap) that has minimal insertion loss on the through leg, and 6dB
> or so loss on the tap leg. The through leg goes to the cable modem
> relatively unmolested, and the -6dB depleted tap leg gets run
> that through an amplifier, to feed all bagillion outlets in the home
> if needed.
>
> In one case I had in a house the cable modem was on the 2nd floor far
> from place the cable came into the house. IN that case, they had to
> use 2 directional couplers, and even go to the higher quality, more
> directional couplers they refer to as DC9's to get low enough return
> path loss to get a usable upstream path. And because there were tv's
> on both floors of the home, 2 separate amplifiers were used, but none
> was in the path to/from the cable modem.
>
> The trouble with amplifiers, even passive return ones is that they add
> noise, and all you need is one class about information theory to know
> why noise is detrimental to data transmission.
>
> Best Regards,
> --
> Todd H.
> http://www.toddh.net/


Posted by Travis Jordan on January 14, 2007, 5:02 pm


Todd H. wrote:
>
> > Could you explain the bi-directional amp comment?
>
> The amps aren't bi-directional really, it's just that they have a
> passive return path so as to minimize their interference with the
> upstream data transmission from the cable modem back to the head end.
> THe cable modem has its own gain/amplifier for that path, and part of
> it's "training up" in negotiation with the head end is setting that
> gain. Without a passive return in an amp, the upstream channel is
> pretty well doomed.

Not all cable distribution amplifiers are passive; some are active and
have gain in the return path as well as the forward path. That can be
important when you have a number of long lossy drops but also need 2-way
communications (such as in VOD applications).

http://www.pdi-eft.com/htmlandflash/main_digi_pass.html

As Todd wrote in order to insure adequate signal while minimizing noise
levels you need to understand the distribution application thoroughly
before adding any kind of amplification. At a minimum you need to be
able to measure RF signal levels across the intended use spectrum.



Posted by clifto on January 13, 2007, 11:12 pm


professorpaul wrote:
> If you have a cable modem, the amplifier must be bi-directional. These
> are expensive. There is a fair chance that an ordinary splitter will
> suffice. Your cable company usually provides one as part of the
> installation, and checks the signal levels.

Not always. I had a unidirectional Winegard in my cable circuit (Comcast)
for some years. Of course, the next time a cable tech showed up, he
encouraged me to get it out of the line (probably so they could once
again monitor my viewing habits), but I had no problems whatsoever with
cable operation for years with that setup.

--
Nazi: a person who is winning an argument with a liberal.

Posted by Mark Lloyd on January 14, 2007, 12:21 pm



>professorpaul wrote:
>> If you have a cable modem, the amplifier must be bi-directional. These
>> are expensive. There is a fair chance that an ordinary splitter will
>> suffice. Your cable company usually provides one as part of the
>> installation, and checks the signal levels.
>
>Not always. I had a unidirectional Winegard in my cable circuit (Comcast)
>for some years. Of course, the next time a cable tech showed up, he
>encouraged me to get it out of the line (probably so they could once
>again monitor my viewing habits), but I had no problems whatsoever with
>cable operation for years with that setup.

Did you have digital cable?
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived." -- Isaac Asimov

Posted by Steve Barker on January 12, 2007, 9:00 pm


You can put an amp on it, but you can't amp the line to the modem. Just run
your garage drop first. You may find it fine without an amp.

--
Steve Barker


> I'd like to do a couple things at my house...
>
> 1) have at least one CATV "drop" in several locations - basement (for the
> TV) 1st floor (for cable modem) and at least 2 bedrooms on 2nd floor.
>
> 2) possibly run CATV out to the garage (maybe 75' or so away) so I can
> watch TV while working on car or hanging out upstairs.
>
> I am ASSuming that I would want to add an amplified splitter at the point
> where the cable enters my house, and then run individual runs of coax to
> all the locations where I might want to hook up a TV or cable modem.
>
> Problem is, I know nothing about this stuff. Can anyone recommend a
> course of action?
>
> thanks,
>
> nate
>
> --
> replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
> http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel



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