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CFLs - switching on and off colinstone 08-18-2007
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Posted by on August 18, 2007, 1:40 pm
I have understood that switching fluorescent lamps - tubes - on and
off was not a good idea and that they should be switched on and left
on. Unlike filament lamps which do not seem to mind.
How do the modern CFLs compare/suffer etc etc?? I know that they can
take a minute or two to warm up and maximise their light output.
If they should be switched on and left on, then they begin to defeat
the very purpose of having energy saving CFLs fitted.


Posted by Marsbar on August 18, 2007, 1:59 pm

>I have understood that switching fluorescent lamps - tubes - on and
> off was not a good idea and that they should be switched on and left
> on. Unlike filament lamps which do not seem to mind.
> How do the modern CFLs compare/suffer etc etc?? I know that they can
> take a minute or two to warm up and maximise their light output.
> If they should be switched on and left on, then they begin to defeat
> the very purpose of having energy saving CFLs fitted.
>
Switch on only when required. What made you think that switching a
fluorescent light on and off wasn't a good idea?



Posted by Andy Burns on August 18, 2007, 2:06 pm
On 18/08/2007 18:59, Marsbar wrote:

> Switch on only when required. What made you think that switching a
> fluorescent light on and off wasn't a good idea?

It was either a common misapprehension, or used to be different with
older tubes. I certainly remember an "order" going around school in the
early 70's to NOT switch off lights during break-times as it took more
electricity to re-start them, than to leave them on for 20 minutes.

Posted by Fred on August 18, 2007, 2:10 pm

> On 18/08/2007 18:59, Marsbar wrote:
>
>> Switch on only when required. What made you think that switching a
>> fluorescent light on and off wasn't a good idea?
>
> It was either a common misapprehension, or used to be different with older
> tubes. I certainly remember an "order" going around school in the early
> 70's to NOT switch off lights during break-times as it took more
> electricity to re-start them, than to leave them on for 20 minutes.

It was a complete redherring then and still is. Yes the current is higher
in order to ignite the tub, but given it lasts for a second or so. As long
as the tube is switched off for over, say 5 seconds, there'll still be a net
saving.



Posted by Derek Geldard on August 18, 2007, 5:56 pm

>
>> On 18/08/2007 18:59, Marsbar wrote:
>>
>>> Switch on only when required. What made you think that switching a
>>> fluorescent light on and off wasn't a good idea?
>>
>> It was either a common misapprehension, or used to be different with older
>> tubes. I certainly remember an "order" going around school in the early
>> 70's to NOT switch off lights during break-times as it took more
>> electricity to re-start them, than to leave them on for 20 minutes.
>
>It was a complete redherring then

When, and with fittings of what vintage? Tubes and control gear have
been improved continuously, changing out of all recognition since the
end of the war.

>and still is.

Sorry not the case, there is still an optimum way of operating the
tube.

This sort of advice was originally intended for industrial users who
had a machine shop or a weaving shed etc lighted with hundreds of
fluorescent fittings mounted on the ceiling over the machines. These
tubes were replaced on a planned preventative maintenance basis whilst
the plant was shut down for (annual ?) holidays. To have tubes fail
between times was very expensive, the electrician would have to work
above the machines (which would have to be stopped) and there was the
possibility that a tube would be dropped or broken contaminating the
workplace with broken glass, and if that was a loom would include
hundreds of feet of very expensive cloth.

>Yes the current is higher in order to ignite the tub,

That's not the issue (even if it's true, I've not seen it mentioned
elsewhere), shortening of the tube life is the issue. Modern control
gear can be a lot better than old stuff, but as always the best
equipment is more expensive and not always used.

>but given it lasts for a second or so. As long as the tube is
>switched off for over, say 5 seconds, there'll still be a net saving.

No.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorescent_lamp

Nowadays domestic users of fluorescent tubes need not concern
themselves too much, but "Best Practice" is "Best Practice". If you
have a fitting that requires a lot of effort to get at (above the
stairs say) it makes sense to get the most out of the tube.

DG


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