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City property tax avoidance Phisherman 07-24-2006
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Posted by on July 24, 2006, 12:52 pm

>How is it that property owners can get away
>with this for so many years?
As the other posters have said, somebody is paying those taxes and now
holds a lien on that property. After a number of years they can
forclose.
The procedure in Florida is the municipality does a reverse auction on
the bill, bidding down the interest rate to the lowest rate the
prospective lender will accept and the lender pays the tax bill. The
tax and interest continues to accrew on the lien until the lender can
take legal action (something liker 5 years). They they get title to
the property but that will come with all the other baggage so the
mortgage lenders, code enforcement or any other lien holders will also
have skin in the game. You have to be very selective when you buy
these tax certificates or you may end up losing money. The owner may
actually have more debt on the property than the property is worth.
Usually you can go on the county court clerk web site to see who else
has a lien before you jump in.

Posted by Tom G on July 24, 2006, 1:19 pm

>
>>How is it that property owners can get away
>>with this for so many years?
> As the other posters have said, somebody is paying those taxes and now
> holds a lien on that property. After a number of years they can
> forclose.
> The procedure in Florida is the municipality does a reverse auction on
> the bill, bidding down the interest rate to the lowest rate the
> prospective lender will accept and the lender pays the tax bill. The
> tax and interest continues to accrew on the lien until the lender can
> take legal action (something liker 5 years). They they get title to
> the property but that will come with all the other baggage so the
> mortgage lenders, code enforcement or any other lien holders will also
> have skin in the game. You have to be very selective when you buy
> these tax certificates or you may end up losing money. The owner may
> actually have more debt on the property than the property is worth.
> Usually you can go on the county court clerk web site to see who else
> has a lien before you jump in.

As I understand it, in Illinois, foreclosing on a tax lien would wipe out
the mortgages and other liens, therefore a mortgage company would jump in
and pay that tax lien before the place was sold for taxes and either add it
to the mortgage or foreclose on the mortgage as paying your taxes is usually
necessary to maintain the terms of the mortgage. As you said he may have
so much debt on the property that one way to come out with anything at
foreclosure is to have pocketed some of the money rather than paying those
debts. Or the property may be in an area that is so bad that no one wants
to own it and therefore hasn't been buying those tax debts. The city may
not even want it.



Posted by m Ransley on July 24, 2006, 1:28 pm
If he is behind there will be a tax auction which are held every year,
just because he has a new car doesnt mean he has any money, he makes
payments. Find out when your auction is, you can bid on it, then he has
a certain time to pay you back or its yours.


Posted by dpb on July 24, 2006, 2:34 pm

m Ransley wrote:
> If he is behind there will be a tax auction ... then he has
> a certain time to pay you back or its yours.

Here, it goes on the auction block, its gone...


Posted by on July 24, 2006, 3:33 pm

>
>m Ransley wrote:
>> If he is behind there will be a tax auction ... then he has
>> a certain time to pay you back or its yours.
>
>Here, it goes on the auction block, its gone...

The tax auction is not the same as the foreclosure in Florida. They
auction off the tax bill every year, then after a time the property
reverts to all the lien holders in some strange hierarchy that you
better understand before you play the game.
I know people who have got great deals and others who just threw their
money down a rat hole by buying tax certificates. You really need to
know what you are buying and who else will be muscling up to the
trough when this goes over. Generally speaking the principle lender
will just bid the certificate down to the point that it is not worth
buying if you just want the interest.
The best deals are usually a "free and clear" property where there is
nobody paying the tax ... but they are hard to find. Usually these
things end up being a distressed property where the lender is already
upside down and they have to bid down the tax bill interest rate to
the point that nobody else wants to play. Then when they foreclose
they get a clean title.

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