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Condensation on Attic Air Vents/Baffles jmsajan 12-28-2006
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Posted by on December 28, 2006, 6:11 pm


I have read most of the posts pertaining to my issue, but still have a
few questions unique to my situation. I live in Michigan and have
recently added an addition off the back of my two story tutor home.

Background
The existing second story roof pitch was continued rearward to create
the addition roof. It is a 12:3 pitch--not very steep. The existing
attic appears and always has appeared very dry to me. It has about
3"-4" of blown-in insulation. It has two side vents and two roof
vents. There is a bathroom fan on the second floor but I have it
vented into one of the side vents.

Because I extended the existing roof pitch onto the new addition it
created very little space for insulation and air venting. I put soffit
vents along the entire eave/over hang. I then put those plastic air
vents from the soffit all the way into the existing attic space. I
then put 5-1/2" R-21 insulation with vapr barrier facing the interior.
Because I am working only with the depth of the joist I literally have
roof board/air vent/insulation/drywall all stacked on top of eachother.
The only air gap is the one created by the plastic air vents.

I was getting ready to drywall when I noticed serious condensation on
the flanges of the air vents--the area where you staple. The area of
the air vent that is off of the roof is dry but where the flange goes
up to contact the roof board it is really wet. Not just like a little
condensation where you could write your name, but like many big drops
of water. My insulation was wet. I have ten "runs" and they all have
this same condition.

Any suggestions on how to resolve this issue? Somebody told me that I
need to have equal amount of inlets as I have outlets. I probably have
more inlets then I do outlets. Should I install an attic fan? I was
reading about a solar powered one, which means it only operates during
the day, would that be sufficient?


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Posted by buffalobill on December 28, 2006, 7:11 pm


problem may be vapor barrier. the website where you will find all your
answers on page 18:
http://www.buildingscience.com/resources/mold/Read_This_Before_You_Design_Build_or_Renovate.pdf
then browse thru the search feature and don't forget climate when you
select a construction style. this free construction website is better
than excellent.
http://www.buildingscience.com/resources/


jmsajan@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> I have read most of the posts pertaining to my issue, but still have a
> few questions unique to my situation. I live in Michigan and have
> recently added an addition off the back of my two story tutor home.
>
> Background
> The existing second story roof pitch was continued rearward to create
> the addition roof. It is a 12:3 pitch--not very steep. The existing
> attic appears and always has appeared very dry to me. It has about
> 3"-4" of blown-in insulation. It has two side vents and two roof
> vents. There is a bathroom fan on the second floor but I have it
> vented into one of the side vents.
>
> Because I extended the existing roof pitch onto the new addition it
> created very little space for insulation and air venting. I put soffit
> vents along the entire eave/over hang. I then put those plastic air
> vents from the soffit all the way into the existing attic space. I
> then put 5-1/2" R-21 insulation with vapr barrier facing the interior.
> Because I am working only with the depth of the joist I literally have
> roof board/air vent/insulation/drywall all stacked on top of eachother.
> The only air gap is the one created by the plastic air vents.
>
> I was getting ready to drywall when I noticed serious condensation on
> the flanges of the air vents--the area where you staple. The area of
> the air vent that is off of the roof is dry but where the flange goes
> up to contact the roof board it is really wet. Not just like a little
> condensation where you could write your name, but like many big drops
> of water. My insulation was wet. I have ten "runs" and they all have
> this same condition.
>
> Any suggestions on how to resolve this issue? Somebody told me that I
> need to have equal amount of inlets as I have outlets. I probably have
> more inlets then I do outlets. Should I install an attic fan? I was
> reading about a solar powered one, which means it only operates during
> the day, would that be sufficient?


Posted by marson on December 28, 2006, 7:47 pm



buffalobill wrote:
> problem may be vapor barrier. the website where you will find all your
> answers on page 18:
>
http://www.buildingscience.com/resources/mold/Read_This_Before_You_Design_Build_or_Renovate.pdf
> then browse thru the search feature and don't forget climate when you
> select a construction style. this free construction website is better
> than excellent.
> http://www.buildingscience.com/resources/
>
>
> jmsajan@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> > I have read most of the posts pertaining to my issue, but still have a
> > few questions unique to my situation. I live in Michigan and have
> > recently added an addition off the back of my two story tutor home.
> >
> > Background
> > The existing second story roof pitch was continued rearward to create
> > the addition roof. It is a 12:3 pitch--not very steep. The existing
> > attic appears and always has appeared very dry to me. It has about
> > 3"-4" of blown-in insulation. It has two side vents and two roof
> > vents. There is a bathroom fan on the second floor but I have it
> > vented into one of the side vents.
> >
> > Because I extended the existing roof pitch onto the new addition it
> > created very little space for insulation and air venting. I put soffit
> > vents along the entire eave/over hang. I then put those plastic air
> > vents from the soffit all the way into the existing attic space. I
> > then put 5-1/2" R-21 insulation with vapr barrier facing the interior.
> > Because I am working only with the depth of the joist I literally have
> > roof board/air vent/insulation/drywall all stacked on top of eachother.
> > The only air gap is the one created by the plastic air vents.
> >
> > I was getting ready to drywall when I noticed serious condensation on
> > the flanges of the air vents--the area where you staple. The area of
> > the air vent that is off of the roof is dry but where the flange goes
> > up to contact the roof board it is really wet. Not just like a little
> > condensation where you could write your name, but like many big drops
> > of water. My insulation was wet. I have ten "runs" and they all have
> > this same condition.
> >
> > Any suggestions on how to resolve this issue? Somebody told me that I
> > need to have equal amount of inlets as I have outlets. I probably have
> > more inlets then I do outlets. Should I install an attic fan? I was
> > reading about a solar powered one, which means it only operates during
> > the day, would that be sufficient?

first of all, what kind of vapor barrier do you have? you should have
6 mil poly, seams taped and all penetrations sealed. that alone should
go a long way in preventing trouble.

second, it sounds like you have a lot of moisture in your addition.
did it rain during construction or something? if so, you might want to
try to dry it out for a bit.

finally, a better way to vent a roof is to use a cardboard chute which
are available here in the midwest. this staples onto the joists and
leaves a continuous air space unlike the foam chutes which just leave
an air space in between two joists.


Posted by on December 28, 2006, 8:22 pm



> first of all, what kind of vapor barrier do you have? you should have
> 6 mil poly, seams taped and all penetrations sealed. that alone should
> go a long way in preventing trouble.
>
> second, it sounds like you have a lot of moisture in your addition.
> did it rain during construction or something? if so, you might want to
> try to dry it out for a bit.
>
> finally, a better way to vent a roof is to use a cardboard chute which
> are available here in the midwest. this staples onto the joists and
> leaves a continuous air space unlike the foam chutes which just leave
> an air space in between two joists.

My vapor barrier is just the paper on the back of the owens corning
pink insulation. Could you explain a little where I put the 6 mil
poly? Do I put it between the insulation and drywall? Do I keep the
paper on the insulation then? I actually constructed the addition in
June and it never rained on it. But I added the air vents and ceiling
insulation maybe in the last three weeks. I did not have any
condensation/water issue until then.

Cardboard chutes, I have not seen them before. I just did a quick
google and all I got was Chutes & Ladders game. Any suggestion where I
can get them?


Posted by marson on December 28, 2006, 9:16 pm



jmsajan@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> > first of all, what kind of vapor barrier do you have? you should have
> > 6 mil poly, seams taped and all penetrations sealed. that alone should
> > go a long way in preventing trouble.
> >
> > second, it sounds like you have a lot of moisture in your addition.
> > did it rain during construction or something? if so, you might want to
> > try to dry it out for a bit.
> >
> > finally, a better way to vent a roof is to use a cardboard chute which
> > are available here in the midwest. this staples onto the joists and
> > leaves a continuous air space unlike the foam chutes which just leave
> > an air space in between two joists.
>
> My vapor barrier is just the paper on the back of the owens corning
> pink insulation. Could you explain a little where I put the 6 mil
> poly? Do I put it between the insulation and drywall? Do I keep the
> paper on the insulation then? I actually constructed the addition in
> June and it never rained on it. But I added the air vents and ceiling
> insulation maybe in the last three weeks. I did not have any
> condensation/water issue until then.
>
> Cardboard chutes, I have not seen them before. I just did a quick
> google and all I got was Chutes & Ladders game. Any suggestion where I
> can get them?

yes, you need to staple the poly on the joists between the insulation
and the drywall. it is fine to leave the paper in place. i would not
cover up wet insulation, though!

i get my chutes at a large lumberyard that caters mainly to
contractors. forget home depot and the like. it may not be
necessary....i think your lack of an efffective vapor barrier is your
problem.

also, the humidity in your house could be from your normal
activities--cooking, showering, and the like. do your windows fog up?


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