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Considering detached metal clad workshop questions/comments nospambob 08-19-2006
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Posted by krw on August 20, 2006, 9:30 pm
mlloyd@xmail.com10.invalid says...
>
> >foggytown@aol.com says...
> >>
> >> Owen Lawrence wrote:
> >> > > If there's a thunderstorm in progress, you feel just a teensy bit
> >> > > anxious!
> >> > > FoggyTown
> >> >
> >> > Being inside your metal shed is probably one of the safer places you can
be
> >> > during a thunderstorm. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_Cage for
an
> >> > explanation.
> >> >
> >> > - Owen -
> >>
> >> Yeah, yeah. That's science talking. I also know statistically it is
> >> very unlikely that my plane will crash. Doesn't help.
> >
> >Gee, I know it *DOES* help. Do you wander about on a golf course
> >in a T-storm waiving a one-iron above your head, thinking that it
> >couldn't hurt?
> >
>
> There's a difference related to grounding. That one-iron probably
> isn't grounded (except through you).

So, you drive coast-to-coast because it's too "dangerous" to fly?
Life is a risk, but it beats the alternative. Grow up and join the
rest of the adults.

--
Keith

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Posted by foggytown on August 21, 2006, 5:44 am

krw wrote:
> mlloyd@xmail.com10.invalid says...
> >
> > >foggytown@aol.com says...
> > >>
> > >> Owen Lawrence wrote:
> > >> > > If there's a thunderstorm in progress, you feel just a teensy bit
> > >> > > anxious!
> > >> > > FoggyTown
> > >> >
> > >> > Being inside your metal shed is probably one of the safer places you
can be
> > >> > during a thunderstorm. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_Cage
for an
> > >> > explanation.
> > >> >
> > >> > - Owen -
> > >>
> > >> Yeah, yeah. That's science talking. I also know statistically it is
> > >> very unlikely that my plane will crash. Doesn't help.
> > >
> > >Gee, I know it *DOES* help. Do you wander about on a golf course
> > >in a T-storm waiving a one-iron above your head, thinking that it
> > >couldn't hurt?
> > >
> >
> > There's a difference related to grounding. That one-iron probably
> > isn't grounded (except through you).
>
> So, you drive coast-to-coast because it's too "dangerous" to fly?
> Life is a risk, but it beats the alternative. Grow up and join the
> rest of the adults.
>
> --
> Keith

Hey, Keith! You really don't understand any of this, do you. OK, just
for you we'll give the "Dick and Jane" version.

There are many facets of our lives and makeup where primal or basic
fears are not necessarily overcome by logic and science, or even
observation. That spinning helicopter rotor blade is 3 or 4 feet
higher than your head . . . but most people still duck going underneath
it. I "know" that the airplane I'm on most likely won't fall out of
the sky. But that doesn't prevent the tiniest little bit of anxiety
when it takes off. (I've logged almost 700,000 air miles in the last
12 years.) I also know that I am quite safe inside my shed during a
thunder storm. Still . . .

Here endeth the lesson. Have a nice day.

FoggyTown


Posted by magnavita on August 20, 2006, 11:11 am
I, too, have an opinion on this. DON'T DO IT.

Now, that's just an opinion. I have a 750 sf metal detached shop in the
Northwest. Some general observations about it:

1) The constant dripping. It RUINS your tools, your projects, your
life. If I had to do it over again, I'd tear this thing down and build
a new one. I've spent hours cleaning and waxing iron tool tops (lathe
ways, ts top, jointer, bandsaw, etc) and come out a couple of days
later to rust spots on everything. If you have any humidity, you're
going to be in sad shape. Water/condensation collects on everything
inside the roof, and drips, drips, drips. I've had finishes ruined with
water spots, constantly clean and wax everything, and still it's a
problem. Granted, in the NW, it rains every day except Christmas, but
it's still an annoyance, especially given the humidity of the south.

2) The noise when it rains. It's charming the first time - after that,
it's a headache-generator. It can get DEAFENING. And it drips more when
it rains.

3) Lack of finished walls inside. The previous owner had to
sheetrock/insulate everything just to have walls to hang things on, and
it's turned into a nightmare. Because of the condensation, I now have
mold growing inside my walls. It's unsightly (growing THROUGH the
sheetrock) and unsafe. I don't want my son or wife even near the shop.
Not to mention that if you don't, you're messing with conduit, air
lines, everything else having to be somehow fastened to the metal
walls, and that's just a mess.

4) Did I mention the dripping?

If I had to do it over (and I may) I may save the foundation and just
knock this thing down and build a real shop. Real wood walls, real
electric work (I've got a 150amp line running 100 yards from the house
underground - NOT cheap), real attic, real roof, real walls, real
stable.

If I needed something to keep a roof over the head of some sheep or an
old tractor, I may use a metal shed again. No, on second thought, I
would NEVER own one again.

But, YMMV. Maybe it's different in the south? Up here, it's a friggin
nightmare, and I really dislike my shop. Who'd have thought?!?!?!

foggytown wrote:
> nospambob@vcoms.net wrote:
> > Previous owner had land graded for a workshop but didn't follow
> > through to build it. Currently try to do woodworking work around
> > inadequate space and electrical capability in cramped half of small 2
> > car garage. Electricians don't return calls to upgrade garage by
> > adding 2-3 new circuits and wood frame builders react the same. A
> > builder of metal buildings has visited and called back with answers so
> > we're considering going with him.
> >
> > Would like users observations both sides of the fence and would they
> > do it again type of comments. Cabinets on walls could be made to be
> > free standing if screws into the frame aren't viable. Double car door
> > and personnel door and three windows are minimum at this time.
> > Air/heat required in Augusta, Georgia area. Septic for half bath and
> > sink are no problem as we can't connect to the existing one.
> >
> > Four duplex receptacles and garage door opener plus one ceiling light
> > all on a 13A circuit. A 12K window air conditioner is all that should
> > be on that circuit at one time but I have sneaked the lathe on without
> > popping the breaker but shop vac pops it in no time.
> >
> > Anxiously waiting comments! TIA!!
>
> I have an steel shed about 12' X 12' and I can offer the following
> observations:
>
> You have no place to nail things into a wall - no studs, nothing.
> Magnets can substitute for some things but shelves, racks, etc have to
> be free standing.
>
> If you have a heater in the shed and cold winters you will get
> condensation on the walls & ceiling to the point where it drips on you
> and your project. Conversely the summer sun can heat it up to the
> point where you might be uncomfortable. (I generally have a pedestal
> fan at the door pointed outwards so the heat gets sucked into the back
> yard.)
>
> If there's a thunderstorm in progress, you feel just a teensy bit
> anxious!
>
> Other than that I've had no regrets
>
> FoggyTown


Posted by DanG on August 20, 2006, 11:25 am
Make sure you are comparing apples to apples.

I read through several posts and many talk about a tin shed and
the inherent problems with same. Were you going to build a
plywood shed with no insulation and no attention to detail? You
couldn't hang anything inside a simple exterior skinned wood
building either.

I assumed you were talking about a metal building. There are many
stores, offices, and school buildings that do just fine as metal
buildings.

As you talk to a builder, make sure you are talking about an
insulated steel building. If you use a drop ceiling (works well
for heat and cool load, dust control, troffer fluorescent lights,
etc) make sure it is insulated and at least 10' clear above the
floor. Walls can be framed for drywall or wafer board and provide
space for wiring and substantial insulation. I would look very
seriously at hydronic heat in the floor. There are many farm
shops that use hot water heaters and a circulating pump to warm
the shop. If your feet are warm, you're comfortable.




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> Previous owner had land graded for a workshop but didn't follow
> through to build it. Currently try to do woodworking work
> around
> inadequate space and electrical capability in cramped half of
> small 2
> car garage. Electricians don't return calls to upgrade garage
> by
> adding 2-3 new circuits and wood frame builders react the same.
> A
> builder of metal buildings has visited and called back with
> answers so
> we're considering going with him.
>
> Would like users observations both sides of the fence and would
> they
> do it again type of comments. Cabinets on walls could be made
> to be
> free standing if screws into the frame aren't viable. Double
> car door
> and personnel door and three windows are minimum at this time.
> Air/heat required in Augusta, Georgia area. Septic for half
> bath and
> sink are no problem as we can't connect to the existing one.
>
> Four duplex receptacles and garage door opener plus one ceiling
> light
> all on a 13A circuit. A 12K window air conditioner is all that
> should
> be on that circuit at one time but I have sneaked the lathe on
> without
> popping the breaker but shop vac pops it in no time.
>
> Anxiously waiting comments! TIA!!



Posted by komobu on August 20, 2006, 7:04 pm
I too am considering a metal workshop. I have read about the dripping,
and I can understand the heat /cooling issues. I am wondering about the
basic frame being done in metal with iron girders spaning the ceiling(I
would like a second floor or loft for storage). I am not sure what the
cost is, but to have 2*14 joists spanning 28 feet for the ceiling will
be expensive. Would iron be cheaper? Once the frame is done in metal, I
will put up plywood in the corners, insulation board and vynal siding
on the exterior. I will also put up insulation and plywood for the
interior walls instead of drywall. I am hoping this will eliminate some
of the metal shed issues, but am not sure what the cost will be.


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