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Containing water on the basement floor Mike Hartigan 12-09-2006
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Posted by Mike Hartigan on December 9, 2006, 5:10 pm


dpbozarth@swko.net says...
>
> Mike Hartigan wrote:
> > hallerb@aol.com says...
> > >
> > > Don Phillipson wrote:
> ...
> > > There are water heater drain pans the heaters sit in with a outlet to
> > > drain them, add a water sensor so you KNOW its in trouble.
> >
> > Sounds perfect! Unfortunately, I used solid copper pipe when I
> > installed these, so I wouldn't be able to simply slide them under the
> > tanks without doing some plumbing work. While not a BIG problem, I
> > was hoping for something simpler. This may, nevertheless, be the
> > route that I eventually take.
> ...
>
> Will need to plumb in a drain line anyway if you are intending to make
> this nearly foolproof (and, of course, that still doesn't account for
> the possible relief valve letting go some time), so unless there's a
> local drain that you could essentially turn into a shower floor type
> basin by pouring a lip around, there's still plumbing to be done since
> there's no way the drip pan will hold more than a few gallons at most.

There's a drain about 1 foot away, so that's not a problem. Indeed,
with my current setup, the last time a tank died, the water only
spread out to about a 2' radius. I'm not talking copious amounts of
water here - just enough to cause a headache.

> While doing it, modify the plumbing connections to either use a union
> if keep the hard copper or make a transition w/ the flexible lines
> designed specifically for water heaters so when you do need to replace
> one it is a doable chore w/o soldering required at that time...

Soldering is not a problem and I think the flexible lines have a DIY
look to them - tacky, IMO. I already have dielectric unions, so as
long as a new tank is exactly the same height as the tank it's
replacing, there's no need to solder.

> On the original note, if there's a requirement for a sump pump in a
> basement, I'd certainly not be satisfied that there's no moisture
> problem for flooring w/o significant preparation solely by the plastic
> sheet test for a few days...that's indicative you may be able to solve
> the moisture problem but isn't anyways close to a conclusive test. In
> other words, it's kinda' like the old math theorem phrase--"necessary,
> but not sufficient."

A sump pump is required in all new construction in my village. I'm
told that it was a broad brush, knee-jerk solution to an isolated,
though severe, flooding event some twenty years ago. It's not an
indication of drainage problems.

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Posted by Mike Hartigan on December 9, 2006, 2:45 pm


d.phillipsonSPAMBLOCK@ncf.ca says...
>
> > The life expectancy of a mainstream consumer type heater
> > is, perhaps ten years. I have two, which means that I can expect
> > such a puddle an average of once every five years.
>
> This is not likely.
> 1. You will get longer life out of your water heaters
> if you flush them out (removing precipitate) every summer.

While I understand, agree with, and, indeed, practice that, it is
only postponing the inevitable. My question is not how to extend the
life of my tank, rather it is how to minimize the damage if and when
it ultimately fails.

> 2. Leaks are only one form of failure. Others include
> deterioration of replaceable parts (e.g. heating elements)
> and irreplaceable parts.

Granted. Leaks, however, are a real possibility. To suggest
otherwise is to invite the very problem I'm trying to prevent. With
one exception, every tank I've owned over the past 35 years has
notified me of its death by peeing on the floor.

> 3. If you really believed every heater will leak in its 10th
> year you could simply replace them at nine-year intervals,
> thus avoiding all leaks.

That would work if the ten year thing was consistent/predictable.
Alas, the nature of these beasts is such that they are neither.
That's why we mortals need a symptom to tell us that something's
wrong.

Posted by JoeSpareBedroom on December 9, 2006, 2:46 pm


>
>> The life expectancy of a mainstream consumer type heater
>> is, perhaps ten years. I have two, which means that I can expect
>> such a puddle an average of once every five years.
>
> This is not likely.
> 1. You will get longer life out of your water heaters
> if you flush them out (removing precipitate) every summer.


Why summer?



Posted by hallerb@aol.com on December 9, 2006, 3:18 pm


replace tank early every 5 years or so

ceramic tile or other floor not damaged by water

reloate tanks to area that cant damage anything

use tank drip pans drains and water alarms in case of leak

make sure your homeowners will cover any damage when and if it occurs


Posted by JoeSpareBedroom on December 9, 2006, 3:21 pm


> replace tank early every 5 years or so
>
> ceramic tile or other floor not damaged by water
>
> reloate tanks to area that cant damage anything
>
> use tank drip pans drains and water alarms in case of leak
>
> make sure your homeowners will cover any damage when and if it occurs
>

Who are you responding to?



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