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Posted by dpb on May 31, 2008, 10:10 am
Dimitrios Paskoudniakis wrote:
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> I take it your post misunderstood my question, and you're arguing that in
> the long run oil prices will drop (due to cars running on methyl ethyl) so I
> should sit tight. Right?
That's the contention and it's simply more poppycock and wishful
dreaming...as someone else noted, alcohol(s), soy biodiesel, etc., will
help but won't solve that problem and the effect on heating oil will be
tenuous and extremely long term at best.
You can only evaluate what is available in your area and try to make a
decision on what supplies are available and try to decide which hedge
makes more sense.
The one thing haller did mention (altho I'm not sure it was even in this
thread) is that probably the most cost-effective long run heating
solution is the ground-source heat pump albeit it does have a moderately
high initial installation cost. What that would be depends greatly on
the site so you would have to research that w/ locals.
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Posted by hallerb@aol.com on May 31, 2008, 12:51 pm
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> Dimitrios Paskoudniakis wrote:
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> > I take it your post misunderstood my question, and you're arguing that i=
> > the long run oil prices will drop (due to cars running on methyl ethyl) =
so I
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> > should sit tight. =EF=BF=BDRight?
> That's the contention and it's simply more poppycock and wishful
> dreaming...as someone else noted, alcohol(s), soy biodiesel, etc., will
> help but won't solve that problem and the effect on heating oil will be
> tenuous and extremely long term at best.
> You can only evaluate what is available in your area and try to make a
> decision on what supplies are available and try to decide which hedge
> makes more sense.
> The one thing haller did mention (altho I'm not sure it was even in this
> thread) is that probably the most cost-effective long run heating
> solution is the ground-source heat pump albeit it does have a moderately
> high initial installation cost. =EF=BF=BDWhat that would be depends greatl=
y on
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> the site so you would have to research that w/ locals.
> --
my point is that the OP haS A full OIL TANK, at this point he is
probably better off to bide his time, before spending boatloads of
money.........
till next spring
he has a year to decide, the current astronomical price run up may run
down. just look at home prices off 25% in some areas. sure it probably
will never be cheap again.
the oil producing nations are greedy, and risk a world recession and
or depression.
that would cut consumption and price, perhaps a lot.
he should probably concentrate this year on insulation, have blower
test for leaks etc. those investments tend to pay off forever.
lastly a heat pumps output may feel cool or drafty for a previous oil
customer......
there output temperature is lower, feels cool to some.
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Posted by Jonathan Grobe on May 31, 2008, 2:12 pm
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> my point is that the OP haS A full OIL TANK, at this point he is
> probably better off to bide his time, before spending boatloads of
> money.........
A full tank may well only last part way through the winter.
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Posted by nicksanspam on May 31, 2008, 12:35 pm
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>I'm talking about heating the basement and first floor of my house, and
>whether I should change from fuel oil to something else, so I don't pay
>$4.50 per gallon...
How about solar heat from a sunspace on the south side of the house, eg a
lean-to greenhouse? Each $1 square foot of sunspace glazing can provide
the heat equivalent of 1-2 gallons of oil per year. With a little more
work, it can also heat water for showers.
Nick
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Posted by trader4 on May 31, 2008, 9:22 am
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> methyl is about 2 bucks a GALLON bought in bulk today
And I assume you're aware that methanol has about 60% the energy
content per gallon of gasoline? Factor that in, add about 40 cents a
gallon in tax, and Methanol as a fuel only starts to make sense at
prices equal to today's gas price. Like ethanol, it could help
lessen our dependence on oil, but it's not a cheap, quick fix. Also,
methanol is highly toxic, which is one big reason the focus has been
on ethanol.
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> the long run oil prices will drop (due to cars running on methyl ethyl) so I
> should sit tight. Right?