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Copper tubing and natural gas? Existential Angst 11-03-2009
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Posted by TimR on November 5, 2009, 6:41 am


wrote:
> > I've seen mostly copper inside buildings and have never had a problem
> > (about 800 locations).
> > But IIRC copper is anodic to steel, so if the two are connected the
> > steel pipe should sacrifice itself to protect the copper. =A0If they
> > were outside or underground I would guess there could be a problem.
> Magnesium, Al, Zn strips would help protect the steel and copper. =A0Magn=
esium
> stakes are sold for this purpose, and anodic aluminum is found in water
> heaters -- altho alum is proly not very effective after its own oxidized
> film occurs.
> Copper outside form a protective oxide, like alum -- that green patina. =
=A0So
> copper should be stable outside as well.
> --
> EA

You don't need to protect the "steel AND copper." The copper is
protected fine by the steel! Nor does the oxidized film have anything
to do with it.

If steel, ductile iron, etc., is connected to copper, you have a
battery. If they are connected again through soil or any other
electrolyte, you have a circuit. Electrons will flow through the
direct connection, ions will flow through the electrolyte connection.
The ferrous metal will corrode while the copper will be protected.

If you look closely at outdoor connections you should see use of
dielectric (insulating) components between valves, meters, etc. to
break this connection. Copper grounding systems inadvertently
connected to natural gas pipes can be a major problem.

Posted by Existential Angst on November 4, 2009, 11:12 pm


> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:18:48 -0500, tnom@mucks.net wrote:
>>>A quote:
>>>Natural gas in copper pipe over some period of years causes copper
>>>sulfites which clogged up the pipe with hard, black crystallizations.
>>It also appears that the sulfur added to the natural gas is corrosive
>>to copper.
> Sulphur is NOT added to Natural gas. Sulphur in natural gas is
> naturally occurring, and is largely removed by processing before
> distribution.
> Ethyl Mercapitan is added in VERY small amounts as an identifier
> odour.

Well, technically speaking the previous poster is correct -- Sulfur IS
added, just not atomic or molecular sulfur.
AND, chemically speaking, even tho ethanethiol (ethanol with S replacing Ox)
is not pure Sulfur, the sulfur is "exposed" and still chemically potent and
reactive, ergo the hypothesized reactions.

Sulfur is similarly attached in at least two amino acids, known for their
metabolic reactivity -- cysteine and methionine.

Having said this, I just looked at the inside of that soft copper tube
connected to the oven (50-60 years old), and altho it appears clear as a
bell, there is a thin crystalline-like flakey layer inside the tube. Could
this layer eventually clog the tube? At this rate, mebbe in another 500
years!
--
EA



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