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Craftsman lawn mower scalps lawn- need advice George Abbot 05-26-2008
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Posted by George Abbot on May 26, 2008, 8:26 am
My guess is that one mandrel assembly is out of alignment on my one year old
craftsman 20hp 42" model 917.27682.

It was scalping the lawn when going over bumps at low heights. I thought it was
a bent blade but did the same
with a new blade.

I removed the deck and did some tests. One blade is at the same depth when
rotated 360 (so works fine) while the
other is low on one blade tip and high on the other. It is slightly beyond the
edge of the bottom of the deck,
so obviously will scalp the lawn if the deck bottoms out.

If the blade is removed and replaced about 180, the low/high reverses.

If the blades are swapped, the low/high is still about the same on the same
mandrel.

I noticed that there are four bolts around the pulley/blade drive assembly and
wonder if the alignment can be
corrected?

I know I can probably shim it at the blade to get it into alignment, but is
there another fix?

Or is it beyond repair? I am reluctant to replace the pulley assembly in case
the deck itself has an alignment
problem.

Unfortunately, the machine did not come with a IPB of the mower deck, only the
tractor, so I cannot figure out
just what is involved in the pulley/blade drive assembly.

Any help appreciated.

GA

Posted by on May 26, 2008, 8:40 am
low tire??

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Posted by George Abbot on May 26, 2008, 8:57 am
ds549@webtv.net wrote:
> low tire??

Nope. That was the first thing I did, check tire pressure. The blade actually
comes down about 1/8" below the
bottom of the deck. I thought it was a bent blade, but if I shift the blade 180
but fix the pulley, the blade is
still beyond the bottom and at the same place. So the blade is fine but the
pulley assembly or the mandrel is off.

GA

Posted by dpb on May 26, 2008, 8:54 am
George Abbot wrote:
...
> old craftsman 20hp 42" model 917.27682.
...
> ... other is low on one blade tip and high on the other. ...
>
> If the blade is removed and replaced about 180, the low/high reverses.
>
> If the blades are swapped, the low/high is still about the same on the
> same mandrel.
...

The last two statements are contradictory -- if the high/low position
interchanges when the blade is rotated 180 degrees on the spindle, that
would indicate a bent blade as any tilt or bend in the shaft would be
the same and the location of the low spot moved w/ the blade.

OTOH, if swapping blades doesn't change the symptoms, the blade isn't
bent (or the even more unlikely that they're both bent exactly the same
way).

> Unfortunately, the machine did not come with a IPB of the mower deck,
> only the tractor, so I cannot figure out just what is involved in the
> pulley/blade drive assembly.

There would likely be a parts diagram on the Sears web site for the deck
as well I would think...

First check to see if the shaft of the offending spindle is bent. If
you have a dial indicator, that's the most direct way, but you can
improvise w/ any tool you can position at the side of the shaft where
the blade mounts and rotate it slowly to see if the distance between the
shaft and the tool point changes. If it does, that indicates the shaft
is bent which would provide the symptoms (other than the dichotomy noted
above). It would have to be replace as it will be treated.

It is also possible the deck where the mandrel mounts got bent if hit
something or that there's a combination of both bent spindle and deck.
It would seem unlikely the mounting itself would be able to cause a
camber as the castings are likely just bolted directly to the deck so a
movement there would simply be lateral, not angular--but, that would
need a picture to see clearly.

I'm guess the most likely is the shaft is bent...

--

Posted by Tom G on May 26, 2008, 1:23 pm

> George Abbot wrote:
> ...
>> old craftsman 20hp 42" model 917.27682.
> ...
>> ... other is low on one blade tip and high on the other. ...
>>
>> If the blade is removed and replaced about 180, the low/high reverses.
>>
>> If the blades are swapped, the low/high is still about the same on the
>> same mandrel.
> ...
>
> The last two statements are contradictory -- if the high/low position
> interchanges when the blade is rotated 180 degrees on the spindle, that
> would indicate a bent blade as any tilt or bend in the shaft would be the
> same and the location of the low spot moved w/ the blade.
>
> OTOH, if swapping blades doesn't change the symptoms, the blade isn't bent
> (or the even more unlikely that they're both bent exactly the same way).
>
>> Unfortunately, the machine did not come with a IPB of the mower deck,
>> only the tractor, so I cannot figure out just what is involved in the
>> pulley/blade drive assembly.
>
> There would likely be a parts diagram on the Sears web site for the deck
> as well I would think...
>
> First check to see if the shaft of the offending spindle is bent. If you
> have a dial indicator, that's the most direct way, but you can improvise
> w/ any tool you can position at the side of the shaft where the blade
> mounts and rotate it slowly to see if the distance between the shaft and
> the tool point changes. If it does, that indicates the shaft is bent
> which would provide the symptoms (other than the dichotomy noted above).
> It would have to be replace as it will be treated.
>
> It is also possible the deck where the mandrel mounts got bent if hit
> something or that there's a combination of both bent spindle and deck. It
> would seem unlikely the mounting itself would be able to cause a camber as
> the castings are likely just bolted directly to the deck so a movement
> there would simply be lateral, not angular--but, that would need a picture
> to see clearly.
>
> I'm guess the most likely is the shaft is bent...
>
> --

On a lot of brands, you can just press out the shaft and replace that but on
my Craftsman, I found that the pulley is welded to the shaft so Sears gets
to sell you a complete mandrel assembly...in my case it was about $70.

Tom G.



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