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Curious... Question about softwood lumber grades... Ken Moiarty 07-12-2005
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Posted by Ken Moiarty on July 12, 2005, 5:44 am


Just replaced the rotted and broken wooden handles of a wheelbarrow with
ready-made new ones. In addition, I also replaced two "wedge" shaped wood
pieces which go between the handles and the metal 'tub'. In looking for
suitable lumber to cut these wedges out of, I assumed it should be hardwood
(as opposed to softwood), for strength, durability, etc. I went to the
hardwood craft section at HomeDepot, but could not find any hardwood boards
of the necessary minimum dimensions (i.e. nothing as large as 2x4). But
right in the midst of the hardwood selections, I noticed 4 foot lengths of
fir 2x4 which looked and felt much sturdier than the full length fir 2x4s
sold in the main lumber aisle.. The price was also about 6 times greater
(per lineal foot)!

After probing it a bit with my pocket knife, my reasoned intuition told me
that this hardier softwood was probably what the wheelbarrow handles
themselves were made of and thus what actually was needed afterall. I
brought some home and started work on it. When cutting and drilling, I
quickly realized this wood was much thougher and/or harder to cut through
than ordinary softwood; reminiscent of some previous experience with oak
hardwood. I proceeded to complete the wheelbarrow repairs and the
wheelbarrow works just fine now, thank you very much <g>. But what's got me
writing about this is my incidental curiosity: Can anybody explain to me
how it can be that this softwood board I bought should be so much sturdier
than the more commonly used, less expensive boards, composed (apparently) of
the very same variety of tree (i.e. Douglas Fir)? Does it have a
designation, name or commonly used adjective one can use to specify it by?.
Is (or was) this more robust grade of softwood lumber ever used for house
framing, like where greater strength/solidity is desired (and lots of money
is not)?

Thanx,

Ken




Posted by Roger Taylor on July 11, 2005, 11:47 pm



> Just replaced the rotted and broken wooden handles of a wheelbarrow with
> ready-made new ones. In addition, I also replaced two "wedge" shaped
> wood pieces which go between the handles and the metal 'tub'. In looking
> for suitable lumber to cut these wedges out of, I assumed it should be
> hardwood (as opposed to softwood), for strength, durability, etc. I went
> to the hardwood craft section at HomeDepot, but could not find any
> hardwood boards of the necessary minimum dimensions (i.e. nothing as large
> as 2x4). But right in the midst of the hardwood selections, I noticed 4
> foot lengths of fir 2x4 which looked and felt much sturdier than the full
> length fir 2x4s sold in the main lumber aisle.. The price was also about
> 6 times greater (per lineal foot)!
>
> After probing it a bit with my pocket knife, my reasoned intuition told me
> that this hardier softwood was probably what the wheelbarrow handles
> themselves were made of and thus what actually was needed afterall. I
> brought some home and started work on it. When cutting and drilling, I
> quickly realized this wood was much thougher and/or harder to cut through
> than ordinary softwood; reminiscent of some previous experience with oak
> hardwood. I proceeded to complete the wheelbarrow repairs and the
> wheelbarrow works just fine now, thank you very much <g>. But what's got
> me writing about this is my incidental curiosity: Can anybody explain to
> me how it can be that this softwood board I bought should be so much
> sturdier than the more commonly used, less expensive boards, composed
> (apparently) of the very same variety of tree (i.e. Douglas Fir)? Does it
> have a designation, name or commonly used adjective one can use to specify
> it by?. Is (or was) this more robust grade of softwood lumber ever used
> for house framing, like where greater strength/solidity is desired (and
> lots of money is not)?

Perhaps the wood for the wedges was indeed hardwood, and was simply
mis-labelled by Home Depot. Alternately, some stealthy shopper may have
stuck a fir bar code on a scrap 4 foot length of oak, to get a cheaper
price and get out the door without a chance of persecution. In my
experience, fir is fir, and it is all relatively soft , but probably fine
for a low-stress wedge like you needed.. The kiln dried or pressure treated
fir is more resistant to sawing, but should be easily told from hardwood. My
wheelbarrow frame is made of a true hardwood, either oak or hickory, I
think.




Posted by Harry K on July 12, 2005, 7:29 am




Ken Moiarty wrote:
> Just replaced the rotted and broken wooden handles of a wheelbarrow with
> ready-made new ones. In addition, I also replaced two "wedge" shaped wood
> pieces which go between the handles and the metal 'tub'. In looking for
> suitable lumber to cut these wedges out of, I assumed it should be hardwood
> (as opposed to softwood), for strength, durability, etc. I went to the
> hardwood craft section at HomeDepot, but could not find any hardwood boards
> of the necessary minimum dimensions (i.e. nothing as large as 2x4). But
> right in the midst of the hardwood selections, I noticed 4 foot lengths of
> fir 2x4 which looked and felt much sturdier than the full length fir 2x4s
> sold in the main lumber aisle.. The price was also about 6 times greater
> (per lineal foot)!
>
> After probing it a bit with my pocket knife, my reasoned intuition told me
> that this hardier softwood was probably what the wheelbarrow handles
> themselves were made of and thus what actually was needed afterall. I
> brought some home and started work on it. When cutting and drilling, I
> quickly realized this wood was much thougher and/or harder to cut through
> than ordinary softwood; reminiscent of some previous experience with oak
> hardwood. I proceeded to complete the wheelbarrow repairs and the
> wheelbarrow works just fine now, thank you very much <g>. But what's got me
> writing about this is my incidental curiosity: Can anybody explain to me
> how it can be that this softwood board I bought should be so much sturdier
> than the more commonly used, less expensive boards, composed (apparently) of
> the very same variety of tree (i.e. Douglas Fir)? Does it have a
> designation, name or commonly used adjective one can use to specify it by?.
> Is (or was) this more robust grade of softwood lumber ever used for house
> framing, like where greater strength/solidity is desired (and lots of money
> is not)?
>
> Thanx,
>
> Ken

Even within the same species of wood there is a great variation in
hardness. Lumber grades reflect this. From Number 1 select down to
'common'. Common nowadays is what used to be 'cull' and went mostly to
box companies or the scrap pile back when I was a kid. I built a set
of racks for my PU about 10 years ago. Found a 2x4 of number 1 select
fir for the stakes. Growth rings so tight they were almost too close
to count. Paid through the nose for it ($17.00 IIRC) but...

Harry K



Posted by Goedjn on July 12, 2005, 11:51 am



>Ken Moiarty wrote:
>> Just replaced the rotted and broken wooden handles of a wheelbarrow with
>> ready-made new ones. In addition, I also replaced two "wedge" shaped wood
. . .
>> right in the midst of the hardwood selections, I noticed 4 foot lengths of
>> fir 2x4 which looked and felt much sturdier than the full length fir 2x4s
>> sold in the main lumber aisle.. The price was also about 6 times greater
>> (per lineal foot)!


For reasons that I don't entirely understand, pine and fir that
grows slowly (As a second generation of trees in a mature forest)
is much harder than fast-grown pine in a plantation, where the
reverse is true for hardwood.

Doesn't the wheelbarrow section have pre-made replacement
handles, anyway?

--Goedn




Posted by Daniel H on July 12, 2005, 11:43 am


If I recall correctly from Hoadley, "Understanding Wood":
- for softwoods, slower growth results in harder wood (and I think it's
because the earlywood is harder than latewood in evergreens, so you
want thin bands of latewood)
- for hardwoods, faster growth results in more latewood which is harder
(and I recall a series of pictures of a ring-porous wood which
demonstrated this phenomenon)

(I'm posting from google groups; I dunno how to force google to quote
message text)

- Daniel H



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