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Cutting metal with a compound miter saw Dan 06-16-2006
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Posted by Dan on June 16, 2006, 8:50 pm
I have a project which will require cutting metal bar stock, either
steel or aluminum (haven't decided yet), approximate cross section 4
1/2" x 1/4". Chop saws are available for this, like this Milwaukee
example at Harbor Freight:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=39755

Blade is a 14" abrasive cutoff wheel.

Also available are compound miter saws, generally used for wood, usually
with blades up to 12" in diameter. Since I own neither type of saw at
the moment, and since the compound miter saw would have greater utility
for me, I am wondering if there is any reason I couldn't just use a 12"
abrasive cutoff wheel in a compound miter saw to cut metal. I see the
above cutoff saw has a max rpm of 3900. As an example, this compound
miter saw is rated at 4100 rpm
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=91852,
so speed shouldn't be an issue. There are 12" cutoff disks for metal
rated at 6300 RPM max http://www.doityourself.com/invt/6805881. So it
seems like there's no problem with doing this, unless I'm missing
something (wouldn't be the 1st time... ;-)

Dan

Posted by CraigT on June 16, 2006, 10:42 pm
When cutting metal there is a great tendency to stall the blade. I wonder if
the hp of a miter box would have the guts to get the job done. Nevertheless
you'd need to disassemble the unit and clean out all the grit when you're
done.

>I have a project which will require cutting metal bar stock, either steel
>or aluminum (haven't decided yet), approximate cross section 4 1/2" x 1/4".
>Chop saws are available for this, like this Milwaukee example at Harbor
>Freight:
>http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=39755
>
> Blade is a 14" abrasive cutoff wheel.
>
> Also available are compound miter saws, generally used for wood, usually
> with blades up to 12" in diameter. Since I own neither type of saw at the
> moment, and since the compound miter saw would have greater utility for
> me, I am wondering if there is any reason I couldn't just use a 12"
> abrasive cutoff wheel in a compound miter saw to cut metal. I see the
> above cutoff saw has a max rpm of 3900. As an example, this compound miter
> saw is rated at 4100 rpm
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=91852, so
> speed shouldn't be an issue. There are 12" cutoff disks for metal rated
> at 6300 RPM max http://www.doityourself.com/invt/6805881. So it seems
> like there's no problem with doing this, unless I'm missing something
> (wouldn't be the 1st time... ;-)
>
> Dan



Posted by Dan on June 18, 2006, 2:37 pm
CraigT wrote:
> When cutting metal there is a great tendency to stall the blade. I wonder if
> the hp of a miter box would have the guts to get the job done. Nevertheless
> you'd need to disassemble the unit and clean out all the grit when you're
> done.
>

Thanks for the reply. The miter saw is rated 2.4 hp, seems like this
would be sufficient. There are probably more powerful examples, but
probably not for the HF model's $180 price. Good point about the grit.

Dan

Posted by Jay Pique on June 16, 2006, 10:44 pm

Dan wrote:
> I have a project which will require cutting metal bar stock, either
> steel or aluminum (haven't decided yet), approximate cross section 4
> 1/2" x 1/4".

How many cuts do you anticipate making?

> Chop saws are available for this, like this Milwaukee
> example at Harbor Freight:
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=39755
>
> Blade is a 14" abrasive cutoff wheel.

That would do the trick. Abrasive wheels leave the ends with big
melted burrs on them that you'll need to clean up.

> Also available are compound miter saws, generally used for wood, usually
> with blades up to 12" in diameter. Since I own neither type of saw at
> the moment, and since the compound miter saw would have greater utility
> for me, I am wondering if there is any reason I couldn't just use a 12"
> abrasive cutoff wheel in a compound miter saw to cut metal. I see the
> above cutoff saw has a max rpm of 3900. As an example, this compound
> miter saw is rated at 4100 rpm
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=91852,
> so speed shouldn't be an issue. There are 12" cutoff disks for metal
> rated at 6300 RPM max http://www.doityourself.com/invt/6805881. So it
> seems like there's no problem with doing this, unless I'm missing
> something (wouldn't be the 1st time...)

A sliding compound miter saw (SCMS) will cut the metal with an abrasive
blade just like the Milwaukee cut-off saw. It won't have the built in
clamping mechanism like most dedicated abrasive cut-off saws. The scms
you have shown is near the bottom in terms of quality, and certainly
price. I wouldn't recommend it.

There are a number of different ways you could cut the steel. Oh - by
the way - if you go with aluminum that's a totally different story than
steel. I would recommend you NOT go with an abrasive blade for cutting
that. Use a carbide blade. Back to the steel. Abrasive blades are
lound, shoot fire, relatively slow and leave a horrible edge. An
alternative would be a dry cutting metal saw. This would leave a very
clean edge with only minimal clean-up needed. I'm not positive but I
think these saws run at a lower rpm than abrasive cut-off saws. In any
event, they'll run you about $400 with blade. You could also use a
portable bandsaw. Or you could take it to a steel
fabricator/welder/body shop/mechanic? and see how much he'll charge to
lop them up for you. I'm rambling, but there are alternatives.

If you only have say 15 or less cuts, what I'd do is get a decent 10"
"regular" compound miter saw (CMS). This won't have the slider, but a
Dewalt, Makita or Hitachi will only set you back around $175 and you'll
have yourself a really useful tool. If you end up cutting aluminum,
just use the stock blade that comes with the saw (or buy a cheapy). If
you end up going with steel get a few abrasive blades for it - they
should run you less than $10 a piece for sure. If the finished ends
will be exposed though, you're going to have to do some filing and/or
sanding to make them look good.

JP


Posted by digitalmaster on June 17, 2006, 10:57 am

>
> Dan wrote:
>> I have a project which will require cutting metal bar stock, either
>> steel or aluminum (haven't decided yet), approximate cross section 4
>> 1/2" x 1/4".
>
> How many cuts do you anticipate making?
>
>> Chop saws are available for this, like this Milwaukee
>> example at Harbor Freight:
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=39755
>>
>> Blade is a 14" abrasive cutoff wheel.
>
> That would do the trick. Abrasive wheels leave the ends with big
> melted burrs on them that you'll need to clean up.
>
>> Also available are compound miter saws, generally used for wood, usually
>> with blades up to 12" in diameter. Since I own neither type of saw at
>> the moment, and since the compound miter saw would have greater utility
>> for me, I am wondering if there is any reason I couldn't just use a 12"
>> abrasive cutoff wheel in a compound miter saw to cut metal. I see the
>> above cutoff saw has a max rpm of 3900. As an example, this compound
>> miter saw is rated at 4100 rpm
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=91852,
>> so speed shouldn't be an issue. There are 12" cutoff disks for metal
>> rated at 6300 RPM max http://www.doityourself.com/invt/6805881. So it
>> seems like there's no problem with doing this, unless I'm missing
>> something (wouldn't be the 1st time...)
>
> A sliding compound miter saw (SCMS) will cut the metal with an abrasive
> blade just like the Milwaukee cut-off saw. It won't have the built in
> clamping mechanism like most dedicated abrasive cut-off saws. The scms
> you have shown is near the bottom in terms of quality, and certainly
> price. I wouldn't recommend it.
>
> There are a number of different ways you could cut the steel. Oh - by
> the way - if you go with aluminum that's a totally different story than
> steel. I would recommend you NOT go with an abrasive blade for cutting
> that. Use a carbide blade. Back to the steel. Abrasive blades are
> lound, shoot fire, relatively slow and leave a horrible edge. An
> alternative would be a dry cutting metal saw. This would leave a very
> clean edge with only minimal clean-up needed. I'm not positive but I
> think these saws run at a lower rpm than abrasive cut-off saws. In any
> event, they'll run you about $400 with blade. You could also use a
> portable bandsaw. Or you could take it to a steel
> fabricator/welder/body shop/mechanic? and see how much he'll charge to
> lop them up for you. I'm rambling, but there are alternatives.
>
> If you only have say 15 or less cuts, what I'd do is get a decent 10"
> "regular" compound miter saw (CMS). This won't have the slider, but a
> Dewalt, Makita or Hitachi will only set you back around $175 and you'll
> have yourself a really useful tool. If you end up cutting aluminum,
> just use the stock blade that comes with the saw (or buy a cheapy). If
> you end up going with steel get a few abrasive blades for it - they
> should run you less than $10 a piece for sure. If the finished ends
> will be exposed though, you're going to have to do some filing and/or
> sanding to make them look good.
>
> JP
>
the portable bandsaw is one of the greatest inventions known to man.If you
don't anticipate using it often get the cheap one at harbor freight.You can
cut anything from wood to stainless steel with it.
I would say get the cheap port-a-band and save the miter saws life.



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