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Damaged Asbestos Tiling Repair HELP KittiKat 08-09-2006
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Posted by KittiKat on August 9, 2006, 1:05 am
I need some advice,

Have a house, built 1958. Subflooring in basement rotted, from boiler
leak. Original tiling in bathroom and finished rec room lifted up,
chipped, splintered in several areas. A rug from the previous owners
was put down to hide this problem, we ripped it up last year, that is
when damage was discovered. A relative, not knowing about asbestos
tiling, chipped more tiled areas away and replaced some parts with new
plywood. I vaccumed up splintered tiles a few weeks ago. Had NO clue
about asbestos in tiles, or the cut back until I did a search about
50's floor tiling a week ago. So basically, now left with this HUGE
problem and have no idea how to fix it. Cost is a huge issue. Abatement
sounds very scarey. The areas right now are covered either with
plywood, rugs or odds of vinyl flooring. I've called one contractor for
an estimate, explained problem, he didn't seem to eager for the job but
said he'd come in later in the week to give an estimate. I called
HDepot as we were planning to not disturb it anymore and lay plywood
down, and was told we could use a respirator to clean up tile and to
keep us safe, but then read a respirator is NOT effective. I also
realize that there are laws governing proper removal of asbestos (I'm
in Ontario).

Is the best thing to do to not touch any more damage and just get new
plywood laid on top of damaged tiles and then put a rug down??? Or, do
we get the whole thing ripped out???? I realize the exposure to this is
serious, my entire family throughout the years has been exposed to this
everytime they were in the house. I understand that *most* health
problems have been linked to repeated, prolonged exposure....I am also
wondering if the cut back glue, which is black, once saturated with
water, would release harmful odours into the air??? There has been a
smell down there, that we attributed to "basement smell" for years, but
now I'm wondering if it is the glue.....We would like to eventually
sell the house....Please advise.


Posted by Bob on August 9, 2006, 3:27 am

> I need some advice,
>
> Have a house, built 1958. Subflooring in basement rotted, from boiler
> leak. Original tiling in bathroom and finished rec room lifted up,
> chipped, splintered in several areas. A rug from the previous owners
> was put down to hide this problem, we ripped it up last year, that is
> when damage was discovered. A relative, not knowing about asbestos
> tiling, chipped more tiled areas away and replaced some parts with new
> plywood. I vaccumed up splintered tiles a few weeks ago. Had NO clue
> about asbestos in tiles, or the cut back until I did a search about
> 50's floor tiling a week ago. So basically, now left with this HUGE
> problem and have no idea how to fix it. Cost is a huge issue. Abatement
> sounds very scarey. The areas right now are covered either with
> plywood, rugs or odds of vinyl flooring. I've called one contractor for
> an estimate, explained problem, he didn't seem to eager for the job but
> said he'd come in later in the week to give an estimate. I called
> HDepot as we were planning to not disturb it anymore and lay plywood
> down, and was told we could use a respirator to clean up tile and to
> keep us safe, but then read a respirator is NOT effective. I also
> realize that there are laws governing proper removal of asbestos (I'm
> in Ontario).
>
> Is the best thing to do to not touch any more damage and just get new
> plywood laid on top of damaged tiles and then put a rug down??? Or, do
> we get the whole thing ripped out???? I realize the exposure to this is
> serious, my entire family throughout the years has been exposed to this
> everytime they were in the house. I understand that *most* health
> problems have been linked to repeated, prolonged exposure....I am also
> wondering if the cut back glue, which is black, once saturated with
> water, would release harmful odours into the air??? There has been a
> smell down there, that we attributed to "basement smell" for years, but
> now I'm wondering if it is the glue.....We would like to eventually
> sell the house....Please advise.
>

Have you tested the tile to see if it really is asbestos? It only costs
$30-50?

Bob



Posted by marson on August 9, 2006, 7:46 am

:
> > I need some advice,
> >
> > Have a house, built 1958. Subflooring in basement rotted, from boiler
> > leak. Original tiling in bathroom and finished rec room lifted up,
> > chipped, splintered in several areas. A rug from the previous owners
> > was put down to hide this problem, we ripped it up last year, that is
> > when damage was discovered. A relative, not knowing about asbestos
> > tiling, chipped more tiled areas away and replaced some parts with new
> > plywood. I vaccumed up splintered tiles a few weeks ago. Had NO clue
> > about asbestos in tiles, or the cut back until I did a search about
> > 50's floor tiling a week ago. So basically, now left with this HUGE
> > problem and have no idea how to fix it. Cost is a huge issue. Abatement
> > sounds very scarey. The areas right now are covered either with
> > plywood, rugs or odds of vinyl flooring. I've called one contractor for
> > an estimate, explained problem, he didn't seem to eager for the job but
> > said he'd come in later in the week to give an estimate. I called
> > HDepot as we were planning to not disturb it anymore and lay plywood
> > down, and was told we could use a respirator to clean up tile and to
> > keep us safe, but then read a respirator is NOT effective. I also
> > realize that there are laws governing proper removal of asbestos (I'm
> > in Ontario).
> >
> > Is the best thing to do to not touch any more damage and just get new
> > plywood laid on top of damaged tiles and then put a rug down??? Or, do
> > we get the whole thing ripped out???? I realize the exposure to this is
> > serious, my entire family throughout the years has been exposed to this
> > everytime they were in the house. I understand that *most* health
> > problems have been linked to repeated, prolonged exposure....I am also
> > wondering if the cut back glue, which is black, once saturated with
> > water, would release harmful odours into the air??? There has been a
> > smell down there, that we attributed to "basement smell" for years, but
> > now I'm wondering if it is the glue.....We would like to eventually
> > sell the house....Please advise.
> >
>
>floor tile is non friable and also usually has a low percentage of asbestos so
your exposure has been very minimal. here in mn, you can remove floor tile with
the plywood subfloor attached and dispose of it with construction demo. is the
contractor you called an asbestos abatement contractor? call a few of
them--they'll know the rules about asbestos floor tile in your area. and yes,
laying down a layer of plywood over it is a good way to go. the absolute very
last place i would ask for advice would be home depot.



Posted by on August 9, 2006, 8:25 am
First, it's very unclear exactly what kind of flooring you have, where
it's located, what is rotted, how it's all held in place, etc. If you
have rotted material, like a sub floor, then just covering it up is not
an option.

I'd also ask the same question as the other poster. Are you sure it
contains asbestos? Has it been tested?

I wouldn't get freaked out by the fact that you were living with
asbestos in floor tile without knowing it. It only becomes dangerous
when it's disturbed and enters the air. And all you did
was chip out some of it, it's unlikely much entered the air. Now, if
you start cutting it up with a saw, that's a diff matter.

I'd check the local laws regarding approved removal methods and who can
do it. Since you are concerned about selling the property, I would
most likely go with removing it completely as opposed to
just covering it up. Generally, the procedure is to seal off the area
that contains it, establish air flow that sucks air out of the area to
the outside and a HEPA filter, wet it down and then remove it in as
large sections as possible, using suitable protection.


Posted by Edwin Pawlowski on August 9, 2006, 8:21 am

> So basically, now left with this HUGE
> problem


No, not realy.

and have no idea how to fix it. Cost is a huge issue. Abatement
> sounds very scarey.

No, really simple.

> I called
> HDepot as we were planning to not disturb it anymore and lay plywood
> down, and was told we could use a respirator to clean up tile and to
> keep us safe, but then read a respirator is NOT effective. I also
> realize that there are laws governing proper removal of asbestos (I'm
> in Ontario).

Most tiles are not considered a hazard and can be readily removed. I don't
know specifics of your country though. Scrape up the tile, put it in a bag
and trash is is all that is required. You can cover it with plywood and then
forget about it as it is covered and not a hazard.

>
> Is the best thing to do to not touch any more damage and just get new
> plywood laid on top of damaged tiles and then put a rug down??? Or, do
> we get the whole thing ripped out???? I realize the exposure to this is
> serious, my entire family throughout the years has been exposed to this
> everytime they were in the house. I understand that *most* health
> problems have been linked to repeated, prolonged exposure...

Not to tiles, but to actual asbestos in the air. The tile encapsulates it
making it safe. Really. YOur family will suffer no harm.


.I am also
> wondering if the cut back glue, which is black, once saturated with
> water, would release harmful odours into the air??? There has been a
> smell down there, that we attributed to "basement smell" for years, but
> now I'm wondering if it is the glue.....We would like to eventually
> sell the house....Please advise.

I doubt the glue is releasing odors after all these years. Scrape off what
you can.
>



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