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Deadbolts For Front Entry Doors Jack 04-01-2008
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Posted by DerbyDad03 on April 2, 2008, 12:35 pm
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> > On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:34:43 GMT, Windswept@Home (Jack) wrote:
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> >>What is the difference between sgl cyl & dbl cyl? -- Thanks
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> > One is a seagull cylinder and the other is a Double Stuff Oreo
> > cylinder.
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> > With double, if someone breaks in through a window, they can't unlock
> > the door to carry things out.
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> > Also, if you have windows in that very door, they can't break the
> > glass and unlock the door.
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> > I put in double when I had an apartment, because the fire escape was
> > accessible to others. =A0But I never locked that deadbolt when I was
> > home, because I didn't want to depend on finding the key if there was
> > a fire, or if I were in a hurry. =A0Even with various roommates, it was
> > easy to get them to follow the same rule. =A0(and they weren't very good=

> > learners otherwise.)
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> Medco has a double cylinder deadbolt that uses a captive key inside. It ha=
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> a handle on the inside key so it looks like a lever, but can be removed by=

> inserting the regular key into the outside cylinder and pulling on the
> handle of the captive key. This way the inside key can be removed for extr=
a
> security when you are absent for a time, but other times it acts as a sing=
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> cylinder deadbolt.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

This sounds like a lock for those that enjoy playing the odds -

You'll settle for a single cylinder deadbolt for short excursions out
of the house, but opt for a double when gone for extended periods -
"extended" being in the eye of key-holder.

If that's not the case, then it sounds like a very inconvienient lock,
given that you have to go through some physical gyrations to remove
the inner key every time you leave.

Posted by mm on April 6, 2008, 9:24 pm
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:35:33 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

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>> > On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:34:43 GMT, Windswept@Home (Jack) wrote:
>>
>> >>What is the difference between sgl cyl & dbl cyl? -- Thanks
>>
>> > One is a seagull cylinder and the other is a Double Stuff Oreo
>> > cylinder.
>>
>> > With double, if someone breaks in through a window, they can't unlock
>> > the door to carry things out.
>>
>> > Also, if you have windows in that very door, they can't break the
>> > glass and unlock the door.
>>
>> > I put in double when I had an apartment, because the fire escape was
>> > accessible to others.  But I never locked that deadbolt when I was
>> > home, because I didn't want to depend on finding the key if there was
>> > a fire, or if I were in a hurry.  Even with various roommates, it was
>> > easy to get them to follow the same rule.  (and they weren't very good
>> > learners otherwise.)
>>
>> Medco has a double cylinder deadbolt that uses a captive key inside. It has
>> a handle on the inside key so it looks like a lever, but can be removed by
>> inserting the regular key into the outside cylinder and pulling on the
>> handle of the captive key. This way the inside key can be removed for extra
>> security when you are absent for a time, but other times it acts as a single
>> cylinder deadbolt.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
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>This sounds like a lock for those that enjoy playing the odds -
>
>You'll settle for a single cylinder deadbolt for short excursions out
>of the house, but opt for a double when gone for extended periods -
>"extended" being in the eye of key-holder.

Yeah, it sounds ridiculous. Just as most traffic accidents happen
with 30 miles of home, most burglaries happen when you are away for
less than a day. The one time 25 years ago that this house was
burgled, I was only away for 2 hours, Sunday around 6, in the summer
when the sun was still out.

>If that's not the case, then it sounds like a very inconvienient lock,
>given that you have to go through some physical gyrations to remove
>the inner key every time you leave.

Exactly. My system, and that of most people, is simple and easy. We
had another deadlock that we used when people were home but wanted to
lock the door. To get out, we unlatched that, went out and I guess we
locked that one if someone was still home. (although when I was awake,
I didn't care if the door was locked.) The last one, almost always me,
locked the double dead bolt.

Posted by Percival P. Cassidy on April 2, 2008, 12:37 pm
On 04/02/08 12:11 am mm wrote:

>> What is the difference between sgl cyl & dbl cyl? -- Thanks
>
> One is a seagull cylinder and the other is a Double Stuff Oreo
> cylinder.
>
> With double, if someone breaks in through a window, they can't unlock
> the door to carry things out.
>
> Also, if you have windows in that very door, they can't break the
> glass and unlock the door.
>
> I put in double when I had an apartment, because the fire escape was
> accessible to others. But I never locked that deadbolt when I was
> home, because I didn't want to depend on finding the key if there was
> a fire, or if I were in a hurry. Even with various roommates, it was
> easy to get them to follow the same rule. (and they weren't very good
> learners otherwise.)


A few years back I lamented that I had been unable to find locks like
the lock (maybe Yale) I had on my front door in Australia: one did not
need the key to lock it, but, once the button was pressed and the door
was closed, the deadbolt tripped, so that the key was needed to open it
either from the inside or from the outside.

I was told that a lock that could not be opened from the inside without
a key was a safety hazard in the event of a fire and was a violation of
the Code.

Perce

Posted by Mark on April 2, 2008, 9:26 pm
I had a double cylinder on my back door for 25 years. The door had small
windowpanes, easily broken and was somewhat secluded from view on the
outside. It entered onto the basement landing, making it also secluded from
the inside. It was the main door we used since our parking was at the rear
of the house.

I put decorative hooks on the wall at the top of the stairs where we always
hung our keys when we came in, with one hook with only a door key. My
theory was that even if one of us forgot to hang our keys there would always
be at least one there, and even in the worst case of fire we'd be able to
get out. The risk seemed much less than the possibility of someone breaking
one of the small panes and getting in.


> On 04/02/08 12:11 am mm wrote:
>
>>> What is the difference between sgl cyl & dbl cyl? -- Thanks
>>
>> One is a seagull cylinder and the other is a Double Stuff Oreo
>> cylinder.
>>
>> With double, if someone breaks in through a window, they can't unlock
>> the door to carry things out.
>>
>> Also, if you have windows in that very door, they can't break the
>> glass and unlock the door.
>>
>> I put in double when I had an apartment, because the fire escape was
>> accessible to others. But I never locked that deadbolt when I was
>> home, because I didn't want to depend on finding the key if there was
>> a fire, or if I were in a hurry. Even with various roommates, it was
>> easy to get them to follow the same rule. (and they weren't very good
>> learners otherwise.)
>
>
> A few years back I lamented that I had been unable to find locks like the
> lock (maybe Yale) I had on my front door in Australia: one did not need
> the key to lock it, but, once the button was pressed and the door was
> closed, the deadbolt tripped, so that the key was needed to open it either
> from the inside or from the outside.
>
> I was told that a lock that could not be opened from the inside without a
> key was a safety hazard in the event of a fire and was a violation of the
> Code.
>
> Perce


Posted by hallerb@aol.com on April 2, 2008, 10:35 pm
> I had a double cylinder on my back door for 25 years. =EF=BF=BDThe door ha=
d small
> windowpanes, easily broken and was somewhat secluded from view on the
> outside. =EF=BF=BDIt entered onto the basement landing, making it also sec=
luded from
> the inside. =EF=BF=BDIt was the main door we used since our parking was at=
the rear
> of the house.
>
> I put decorative hooks on the wall at the top of the stairs where we alway=
s
> hung our keys when we came in, with one hook with only a door key. =EF=BF=
=BDMy
> theory was that even if one of us forgot to hang our keys there would alwa=
ys
> be at least one there, and even in the worst case of fire we'd =EF=BF=BDbe=
able to
> get out. =EF=BF=BDThe risk seemed much less than the possibility of someon=
e breaking
> one of the small panes and getting in.
>
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>
>
>
> > On 04/02/08 12:11 am mm wrote:
>
> >>> What is the difference between sgl cyl & dbl cyl? -- Thanks
>
> >> One is a seagull cylinder and the other is a Double Stuff Oreo
> >> cylinder.
>
> >> With double, if someone breaks in through a window, they can't unlock
> >> the door to carry things out.
>
> >> Also, if you have windows in that very door, they can't break the
> >> glass and unlock the door.
>
> >> I put in double when I had an apartment, because the fire escape was
> >> accessible to others. =EF=BF=BDBut I never locked that deadbolt when I =
was
> >> home, because I didn't want to depend on finding the key if there was
> >> a fire, or if I were in a hurry. =EF=BF=BDEven with various roommates, =
it was
> >> easy to get them to follow the same rule. =EF=BF=BD(and they weren't ve=
ry good
> >> learners otherwise.)
>
> > A few years back I lamented that I had been unable to find locks like th=
e
> > lock (maybe Yale) I had on my front door in Australia: one did not need
> > the key to lock it, but, once the button was pressed and the door was
> > closed, the deadbolt tripped, so that the key was needed to open it eith=
er
> > from the inside or from the outside.
>
> > I was told that a lock that could not be opened from the inside without =
a
> > key was a safety hazard in the event of a fire and was a violation of th=
e
> > Code.
>
> > Perce- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

when buying deadbolt get one with extended shackle that goes thru not
only strike plate but wall stud too..........

much more secure.

but realize if somone wants to really get in they can, glass windows
etc.

if in bad area buy security system or at least put up signs protected
by so and so security............


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