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Did I Get Screwed By an Incompetent Roofer? Need Advice mg 06-03-2007
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Posted by PeterD on June 4, 2007, 3:13 pm
wrote:

>
>>wrote:
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>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Having the dish within arm's length helps with snow removal. You can also
>>>>more easily move it if tree growth interferes.
>>>
>>>Don't these signals go through trees?
>>
>>Nope. Not through leaves.
>>
>>>
>>>Rabbit ears work, and I thought the satellite frequencies were higher
>>>than UHF.
>>
>>They are, they are microwave. Easily absorbed by water for example.
>>The water in leaves is what makes the trees 'microwave opaque'. <g>
>
>Uh huh! I get it now. That's what gets hot in microwave ovens too.
>We got to get rid of all that water. It seems to cause a lot of
>trouble. Aren't there old mines in Utah or Nevada where we could put
>the stuff?

The number of times that I've thought of mounting a microwave oven
tube on a sat dish and 'frying' the leaves on the nearest trees...
Just burn a hole right through them!

Posted by mm on June 3, 2007, 10:51 pm

>I would guess DirecTV has upgraded their dish antennas about 3 times
>in the last 10 years. So, I'm not very optimistic about not having to
>replace the dish.

Do you have to replace the post, or only the dish?


Posted by Larry Caldwell on June 4, 2007, 10:10 am
mgkelson@yahoo.com (mg) says...

> I would guess DirecTV has upgraded their dish antennas about 3 times
> in the last 10 years. So, I'm not very optimistic about not having to
> replace the dish.

Next time, don't put it on the roof. They work just as well mounted
below a window.

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Posted by mg on June 3, 2007, 7:23 pm
> > My two questions are, do I have legitimate complaints about the
> > workmanship and even if the roofer lifts the legs of the swamp cooler
> > and takes the antenna off and does it right will the patchwork repair
> > job he does on the shingles be acceptable?
>
> The cleanup should have been better from what you describe. It is
> impossible to contain every scrap of shingle and nail when you do a
> tear off even with tarps but a good faith effort is expected.
>
> So far as the cooler and antennae are concerned, it should have been
> moved before roofing but no way is that the responsiblilty of the
> roofer to remove your equipment unless specifically requested.
>
> The roofer may show up on the job not knowing exactly what to
> expect. The person who bid your job may not be on the crew.
> Typcially they just do the job and leave without even interacting with
> the homeowner.
>
> >From the roofers perspective, if you don't move it and they are not
>
> paid to move it then they have no choice but to work around it. They
> don't have time to stop to ask you or anyone else why it hasn't been
> moved. So, it you don't move it then you have to have it in the
> contract if you want the roofers to move it.
>
> An acceptable patch can be made in both cases, no problem. It should
> be just as good as new when patched. I do not think you can hold the
> roofers responsible for this extra work unless it was in the original
> contact.

I'm definitely guilty of not getting the situation with the swamp
cooler and dish antenna written into the contract. However, I did have
the house reroofed in mid-80s and that contractor did put the roofing
underneath the legs of the swamp cooler. So, unfortunately, I assumed
it was standard practice.

I actually did ask the contractor about the DirecTV antenna since I
have one of the new type that is very difficult to aim. He told me
that wouldn't be a problem since the roofers would put the mounting
plate back in exactly the same holes. Unfortunately, I only got that
verbally and didn't get it in the contract. Even if he had told me,
though, that I would have to remove the antenna, that would have been
OK. I can hire a guy to tune the antenna back in for about $25. Or, I
can do it myself. The roofing job costs $4500.00. So 25 bucks wouldn't
bother me any.

Swamp coolers sit on top of a large sheet-metal duck (18" x 18" I
think) and the legs are there mostly just to offer additional support.
I've actually seen swamp coolers sitting on roofs with no legs at all.
The 4 legs are connected to the corners of the swamp cooler with 2
sheet metal screws. It would be an extremely simple matter to remove
these legs one or two at a time and roof under them and then put them
back on. Swamp coolers are extremely common in my area. It's hard for
me to imagine that roofers are going around the state roofing over the
legs of swamp coolers when they are so easy to remove. Actually, it's
probably a lot easier to remove the legs than it is to roof around
them.

It's good to know that it's not that difficult to do a patch. Maybe
I'll hire someone to do that or perhaps I can do it myself even though
I don't have a clue as to how it's done. It does seem sort of
difficult to me, though. My inclination would be to lay the new
shingles over the top of the old ones and then put a lot of patch
repair stuff around the edges. The situation seems really kludgy to
me, especially after just paying $4500 for a new, 30-year roof.









Posted by Lawrence on June 4, 2007, 8:30 am

>
> I'm definitely guilty of not getting the situation with the swamp
> cooler and dish antenna written into the contract. However, I did have
> the house reroofed in mid-80s and that contractor did put the roofing
> underneath the legs of the swamp cooler. So, unfortunately, I assumed
> it was standard practice.

I will agree that a thoughful contractor would have either assumed it
would have to be removed or at least put it in the contract for you.
Some are very nervous about having a bid that's low enough to keep the
crew working, that's the problem. Those items add to the cost, not by
much but enough to make the bidder nervous. He's thinking, if I don't
mention it or itemize it on the bid then I have a better chance of
winning the job. Then when the guys get on the site they haven't been
told one way or the other.
>
> Swamp coolers are extremely common in my area. It's hard for
> me to imagine that roofers are going around the state roofing over the
> legs of swamp coolers when they are so easy to remove. Actually, it's
> probably a lot easier to remove the legs than it is to roof around
> them.

Agreed. A roofer only needs a few tools and just may not be prepared
for that job even if it is easy it requires a few tools anyway.
>
> It's good to know that it's not that difficult to do a patch. Maybe
> I'll hire someone to do that or perhaps I can do it myself even though
> I don't have a clue as to how it's done. It does seem sort of
> difficult to me, though. My inclination would be to lay the new
> shingles over the top of the old ones and then put a lot of patch
> repair stuff around the edges. The situation seems really kludgy to
> me, especially after just paying $4500 for a new, 30-year roof.-

Absolutely, you have every right to be dissapointed. Your contactor
should have made sure it was in the contract and that arrangments were
made. But, if you signed the contract then part of the responsiblity
is also yours. You can eventually be happy it will just require more
energy from you, a bummer I know.

Patching is easy since the nails can be removed from the surrounding
shingles by slipping a flat bar underneath. Then new shingles can be
slipped in and nailed. No roofing cement should be needed. You do
need a real roofer to do it if you don't have the confidence. You
should be able find someone who has the smarts to both remove the
equiment and also to make the patch.


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