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Digging a hole in frozen ground maradcliff 12-03-2006
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Posted by on December 3, 2006, 3:33 am


I got my new barn all closed in just before our heavy freeze took
over. But I still need to put 3 posts in the ground INSIDE the barn.
The soil in there is fairly dry on the top so I am hoping its not
frozen too solid or deep yet. But I did find the shovel was hard to
penetrate it yesterday. It was really too cold to proceed with the
job anyhow.

Anyhow, I know the public utilities have a means to build a coal fire
on the top of the ground when they need to dig up something in the
street. I dont have access to coal, nor would I want to burn it
indoors because of the odor. But I can get regular charcoal. My
question is this: What is the best method to burn the charcoal to melt
the ground? Do i just burn it right on top of the soil, or should I
put some sort of metal container around it, or what? I mean in order
to deflect the heat downward, not as a safety measure. I am not
worried about causing a fire, when the nearest flammable (wall) is at
least 9 feet away, and I am not planning to make a huge fire, just the
amound needed to grill some burgers on the grill.

One other thing, would it be best to start the fire right on the
ground, or to start it in a grill first????

Yes, I know3 about ventillation to prevent CO2 poisoning. I'll leave
a door or window ajar, plus the barn has plenty of small leaks by each
rib in the steel along the roof edge. I will gradually plug those
with foam after the stalls are done.

PS. I recall the city used to place a half of a steel barrel drum over
the coal. I wonder if that helps thaw the ground, or is only to
prevent sparks from flying. I know regular coal tends to spark more
than charcoal.

Mark

Posted by DIMwit on December 3, 2006, 7:03 am



>I got my new barn all closed in just before our heavy freeze took
> over. But I still need to put 3 posts in the ground INSIDE the barn.
> The soil in there is fairly dry on the top so I am hoping its not
> frozen too solid or deep yet. But I did find the shovel was hard to
> penetrate it yesterday. It was really too cold to proceed with the
> job anyhow.
>
> Anyhow, I know the public utilities have a means to build a coal fire
> on the top of the ground when they need to dig up something in the
> street. I dont have access to coal, nor would I want to burn it
> indoors because of the odor. But I can get regular charcoal. My
> question is this: What is the best method to burn the charcoal to melt
> the ground? Do i just burn it right on top of the soil, or should I
> put some sort of metal container around it, or what? I mean in order
> to deflect the heat downward, not as a safety measure. I am not
> worried about causing a fire, when the nearest flammable (wall) is at
> least 9 feet away, and I am not planning to make a huge fire, just the
> amound needed to grill some burgers on the grill.
>
> One other thing, would it be best to start the fire right on the
> ground, or to start it in a grill first????
>
> Yes, I know3 about ventillation to prevent CO2 poisoning. I'll leave
> a door or window ajar, plus the barn has plenty of small leaks by each
> rib in the steel along the roof edge. I will gradually plug those
> with foam after the stalls are done.
>
> PS. I recall the city used to place a half of a steel barrel drum over
> the coal. I wonder if that helps thaw the ground, or is only to
> prevent sparks from flying. I know regular coal tends to spark more
> than charcoal.
>
> Mark

why can't you just pour boiling water on the ground so soften it up? It's
easier to heat up a big pot of water on a barbeque outside the barn, and the
water will work quickly working its way down, I think.

Bob



Posted by AZ Nomad on December 3, 2006, 12:41 pm


>why can't you just pour boiling water on the ground so soften it up? It's
>easier to heat up a big pot of water on a barbeque outside the barn, and the
>water will work quickly working its way down, I think.

No problem, but it gets expensive heating 100 gallons of boiling water at
a time and nothing less will have any effect.


Posted by DIMwit on December 3, 2006, 3:31 pm



>>why can't you just pour boiling water on the ground so soften it up? It's
>>easier to heat up a big pot of water on a barbeque outside the barn, and
>>the
>>water will work quickly working its way down, I think.
>
> No problem, but it gets expensive heating 100 gallons of boiling water at
> a time and nothing less will have any effect.
>

Why so you think you would need 100 gallons? I think about 5 gallons of hot
water for each hole would be enough. Like other posters have said, how deep
could the soil possibly be frozen this early in the Winter? Do you live in
Alaska? If you do, I guess it would be real deep :-)

Bob



Posted by AZ Nomad on December 3, 2006, 8:56 pm





>>>why can't you just pour boiling water on the ground so soften it up? It's
>>>easier to heat up a big pot of water on a barbeque outside the barn, and
>>>the
>>>water will work quickly working its way down, I think.
>>
>> No problem, but it gets expensive heating 100 gallons of boiling water at
>> a time and nothing less will have any effect.
>>

>Why so you think you would need 100 gallons? I think about 5 gallons of hot
>water for each hole would be enough. Like other posters have said, how deep
>could the soil possibly be frozen this early in the Winter? Do you live in
>Alaska? If you do, I guess it would be real deep :-)

5 gallons won't even soften the top half inch.


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