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Dimmable CFL Tony Hwang 04-26-2008
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Posted by Art Todesco on April 27, 2008, 8:21 am
Blattus Slafaly ? (3) ¼ :) wrote:
> Tony Hwang wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Came across a 23W dimmable CFL. Got one to try it out.
>> It worked ~2 hours and pop, it went to full brightness and
>> no more dimmable??!! Are they this unreliable? Or I got bad one.
>
> You can't really expect a CFL to have the same range as an incandescent
> bulb. If you are testing it to extremes you can expect it to pop.
>
I don't believe that it should be
expected to pop. I have 2 of them.
They don't dim very well. By that I
mean, when dimmed, they flicker
quite a bit. The range is good if you
can stand the blinkety blink. There
are spots where they seem to settle down
and be ok. BTW, I am
using this on an X10 lamp module, so
finding a "good" spot is quite
difficult. With a real dimmer, it might
be easier.

Posted by Don Klipstein on April 27, 2008, 2:51 pm
>Blattus Slafaly ? (3) ¼ :) wrote:
>> Tony Hwang wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Came across a 23W dimmable CFL. Got one to try it out.
>>> It worked ~2 hours and pop, it went to full brightness and
>>> no more dimmable??!! Are they this unreliable? Or I got bad one.
>>
>> You can't really expect a CFL to have the same range as an incandescent
>> bulb. If you are testing it to extremes you can expect it to pop.
>>
>I don't believe that it should be
>expected to pop. I have 2 of them.
>They don't dim very well. By that I
>mean, when dimmed, they flicker
>quite a bit. The range is good if you
>can stand the blinkety blink. There
>are spots where they seem to settle down
>and be ok. BTW, I am
>using this on an X10 lamp module, so
>finding a "good" spot is quite
>difficult. With a real dimmer, it might
>be easier.

I have this sinking feeling that dimmable screw-base CFLs at least
sometimes lack provision to have their filaments maintained at a proper
temperature when they are dimmed. I would expect some compromise in life
expectancy with severe or moderately severe dimming.

One scheme mentioned a lot in some thread in sci.engr.lighting earlier
this year is to have two sets of lights in a room - one for bright
lighting and another for dim lighting.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

Posted by Pete C. on April 27, 2008, 3:42 pm

Don Klipstein wrote:
>
> >Blattus Slafaly ? (3) ¼ :) wrote:
> >> Tony Hwang wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> Came across a 23W dimmable CFL. Got one to try it out.
> >>> It worked ~2 hours and pop, it went to full brightness and
> >>> no more dimmable??!! Are they this unreliable? Or I got bad one.
> >>
> >> You can't really expect a CFL to have the same range as an incandescent
> >> bulb. If you are testing it to extremes you can expect it to pop.
> >>
> >I don't believe that it should be
> >expected to pop. I have 2 of them.
> >They don't dim very well. By that I
> >mean, when dimmed, they flicker
> >quite a bit. The range is good if you
> >can stand the blinkety blink. There
> >are spots where they seem to settle down
> >and be ok. BTW, I am
> >using this on an X10 lamp module, so
> >finding a "good" spot is quite
> >difficult. With a real dimmer, it might
> >be easier.
>
> I have this sinking feeling that dimmable screw-base CFLs at least
> sometimes lack provision to have their filaments maintained at a proper
> temperature when they are dimmed. I would expect some compromise in life
> expectancy with severe or moderately severe dimming.
>
> One scheme mentioned a lot in some thread in sci.engr.lighting earlier
> this year is to have two sets of lights in a room - one for bright
> lighting and another for dim lighting.

Back to the old style 3-way lighting from before they made multi
filament lamps and used several individual lamps instead. Put three
small normal CFLs in that type of fixture and you're all set.

Posted by Wayne Boatwright on April 27, 2008, 4:57 pm
On Sun 27 Apr 2008 12:42:38p, Pete C. told us...

>
> Don Klipstein wrote:
>>
>> wrote:
>> >Blattus Slafaly ? (3) ¼ :) wrote:
>> >> Tony Hwang wrote:
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>> Came across a 23W dimmable CFL. Got one to try it out.
>> >>> It worked ~2 hours and pop, it went to full brightness and no more
>> >>> dimmable??!! Are they this unreliable? Or I got bad one.
>> >>
>> >> You can't really expect a CFL to have the same range as an
>> >> incandescent bulb. If you are testing it to extremes you can expect
>> >> it to pop.
>> >>
>> >I don't believe that it should be
>> >expected to pop. I have 2 of them.
>> >They don't dim very well. By that I
>> >mean, when dimmed, they flicker
>> >quite a bit. The range is good if you
>> >can stand the blinkety blink. There
>> >are spots where they seem to settle down
>> >and be ok. BTW, I am
>> >using this on an X10 lamp module, so
>> >finding a "good" spot is quite
>> >difficult. With a real dimmer, it might be easier.
>>
>> I have this sinking feeling that dimmable screw-base CFLs at least
>> sometimes lack provision to have their filaments maintained at a proper
>> temperature when they are dimmed. I would expect some compromise in
>> life expectancy with severe or moderately severe dimming.
>>
>> One scheme mentioned a lot in some thread in sci.engr.lighting
>> earlier
>> this year is to have two sets of lights in a room - one for bright
>> lighting and another for dim lighting.
>
> Back to the old style 3-way lighting from before they made multi
> filament lamps and used several individual lamps instead. Put three
> small normal CFLs in that type of fixture and you're all set.
>

Hmm... Yes, like the old floor lamps that had 3 standard base sockets and
one central mogul base socket. I wish I still had one of the really nice
ones that my parents had. It was a beautiful lamp with marble base and
engraved bronze post. An adapter could be put in the mogul base in order
to use a CFL there, too.

We have several true antique tiffany-style glass and craftsman style lamps
with mica shades that have either 2 or 3 pull chain sockets in them.
However, I still use clear incandescent bulbs in them because the CFLs make
them look extremely dull. I have thumbwheel dimmers on the line cords and
I use slightly higher wattage bulbs than one might want so that when dimmed
they give a much warmer light.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Posted by Frank on April 27, 2008, 5:50 pm
I have replaced 8 can lights with 16 watt dimmable bulbs and they are great
been in use about 1yr. I also replaced same situation lamps over my bar but
on same circuit as flame type lamps on same dimmer. CFL lasted 2min. Seems
like the CFL lamp is killed by voltage noise or disruption.
Not going to plug CFL mfg unless asked.
Frank




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