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Dimmable CFL Tony Hwang 04-26-2008
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Posted by on April 28, 2008, 11:12 am
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:00:45 GMT, Wayne Boatwright

>On Mon 28 Apr 2008 06:44:08a, told us...
>
>> Subject: Re: Dimmable CFL
>> From: trader4@optonline.net
>>
>>> (Don Klipstein) wrote:
>>>
>>> > I give low odds of its energy efficiency exceeding that of a 230 volt
>>> > incandescent being powered by 120 volts
>>>
>>> Do you believe that 130V-rated (commercial?) incandescent lamps,
>>> operating at ~120VAC, are longer-lasting enough to be worth the hassle
>>> of getting them (wholesaler) and price, compared to an everyday bulb?
>
>Yes, I believe that, and almost all the incandescent bulbs I have in my
>home are 130v-rated. Their logevity is astounding.

They use more electricity, however.



Posted by Tony Hwang on April 29, 2008, 12:08 am
salty@dog.com wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:00:45 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>
>
>>On Mon 28 Apr 2008 06:44:08a, told us...
>>
>>
>>>Subject: Re: Dimmable CFL
>>>From: trader4@optonline.net
>>>
>>>
>>>>(Don Klipstein) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I give low odds of its energy efficiency exceeding that of a 230 volt
>>>>>incandescent being powered by 120 volts
>>>>
>>>>Do you believe that 130V-rated (commercial?) incandescent lamps,
>>>>operating at ~120VAC, are longer-lasting enough to be worth the hassle
>>>>of getting them (wholesaler) and price, compared to an everyday bulb?
>>
>>Yes, I believe that, and almost all the incandescent bulbs I have in my
>>home are 130v-rated. Their logevity is astounding.
>
>
> They use more electricity, however.
>
>
Hmmm,
I don't think so. 130V rated lamp is on 120V circuit.
Simple Ohm's law.

Posted by Don Klipstein on April 29, 2008, 12:49 am
>salty@dog.com wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:00:45 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>>
>>>On Mon 28 Apr 2008 06:44:08a, told us...
>>>
>>>>Subject: Re: Dimmable CFL
>>>>From: trader4@optonline.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>(Don Klipstein) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I give low odds of its energy efficiency exceeding that of a 230 volt
>>>>>>incandescent being powered by 120 volts
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you believe that 130V-rated (commercial?) incandescent lamps,
>>>>>operating at ~120VAC, are longer-lasting enough to be worth the hassle
>>>>>of getting them (wholesaler) and price, compared to an everyday bulb?
>>>
>>>Yes, I believe that, and almost all the incandescent bulbs I have in my
>>>home are 130v-rated. Their logevity is astounding.
>>
>> They use more electricity, however.
>>
>Hmmm,
>I don't think so. 130V rated lamp is on 120V circuit.
>Simple Ohm's law.

A 130V incandescent being operated at 120 volts consumes about 89%,
maybe 88% of rated power. (Not 85% - the filament's resistance varies
directly with temperature.)

And when a 130V incandescent is operated at 120 volts, it produces
about 75-76% of its full light output. Efficiency decreases a lot when
an incandescent is underpowered.

A 130V 100W incandescent only outshines a 75W 120V one due to
incandescents having "economies of scale" that reduce the efficiency of
lower wattage and lower current ones. A 75W 120V incandescent produces
about 69% of the light of a 100W one.

One more note: If you have incandescents on a dimmer and usually
operate them dimmed, consider using a lower wattage to use less dimming.
Although a 75W incandescent produces 69% of the light of a 100 watt one,
a 100 watt one dimmed to consume 75 watts has about 53% of its full
output.

That leads to another consideration: Reduce the number of bulbs if
you can - a smaller number of higher wattage bulbs will be slightly
more efficient than a larger number of lower wattage ones. Just don't
take this to an extreme that affects evenness of illumination.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

Posted by ransley on April 29, 2008, 3:11 am
On Apr 28, 11:49=A0pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> >sa...@dog.com wrote:
>
> >> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:00:45 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>
> >>>On Mon 28 Apr 2008 06:44:08a, =A0told us...
>
> >>>>Subject: Re: Dimmable CFL
> >>>>From: trad...@optonline.net
>
e:
>
m
> >>>>>(Don Klipstein) wrote:
>
> >>>>>>I give low odds of its energy efficiency exceeding that of a 230 vol=
t
> >>>>>>incandescent being powered by 120 volts
>
> >>>>>Do you believe that 130V-rated (commercial?) incandescent lamps,
> >>>>>operating at ~120VAC, are longer-lasting enough to be worth the hassl=
e
> >>>>>of getting them (wholesaler) and price, compared to an everyday bulb?=

>
> >>>Yes, I believe that, and almost all the incandescent bulbs I have in my=

> >>>home are 130v-rated. =A0Their logevity is astounding.
>
> >> They use more electricity, however.
>
> >Hmmm,
> >I don't think so. 130V rated lamp is on 120V circuit.
> >Simple Ohm's law.
>
> =A0 A 130V incandescent being operated at 120 volts consumes about 89%,
> maybe 88% of rated power. =A0(Not 85% - the filament's resistance varies
> directly with temperature.)
>
> =A0 And when a 130V incandescent is operated at 120 volts, it produces
> about 75-76% of its full light output. =A0Efficiency decreases a lot when
> an incandescent is underpowered.
>
> =A0 A 130V 100W incandescent only outshines a 75W 120V one due to
> incandescents having "economies of scale" that reduce the efficiency of
> lower wattage and lower current ones. =A0A 75W 120V incandescent produces
> about 69% of the light of a 100W one.
>
> =A0 One more note: =A0If you have incandescents on a dimmer and usually
> operate them dimmed, consider using a lower wattage to use less dimming.
> Although a 75W incandescent produces 69% of the light of a 100 watt one,
> a 100 watt one dimmed to consume 75 watts has about 53% of its full
> output.
>
> =A0 That leads to another consideration: =A0Reduce the number of bulbs if
> you can - a smaller number of higher wattage bulbs will be slightly
> more efficient than a larger number of lower wattage ones. =A0Just don't
> take this to an extreme that affects evenness of illumination.
>
> =A0- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

To the point, a new "energy efficient" incandesant is BS ,
incandesants must be taxed to force savings upon us in the form of
energy.

Posted by Jim Redelfs on April 29, 2008, 1:34 am
In article
trader4@optonline.net wrote:

> on what basis [do] you think this is unconstitutional.

I'm not a lawyer. I don't even play one on the internet.

My claim is based on wishful thinking, not on actual case law.

> There are vast numbers of laws on the federal books that ban
> all kinds of things. The ban not too long ago on freon is
> probably the closest example.

That's a good point, and darned frustrating: Today, there is evidence
that CFCs are not the ozone-depleting threat once charged. R-12 was
good stuff.

> Back in the 30's they even banned private possession of gold, which is
> extreme, and no one successfully challenged that on any constitutional
> grounds.

Did the Supreme Court ever hear it?

Too much of our Constitution is simply - and quietly - side stepped.
--
<sigh>
JR

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