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Does GFI makes equipment ground obsolete? peter 07-17-2006
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Posted by peter on July 17, 2006, 3:50 am
If an outlet is GFI, does equipment ground still serve any useful purpose?



Posted by RBM on July 17, 2006, 7:01 am
It provides a path to ground for fault currents


> If an outlet is GFI, does equipment ground still serve any useful purpose?
>



Posted by Wayne Whitney on July 17, 2006, 11:47 am

> If an outlet is GFI, does equipment ground still serve any useful
> purpose?

Yes. With an EGC, equipment that develops an internal ground fault
(e.g. to the chassis) will trip the breaker. With a GFI only, the
equipment chassis will remain hot until someone comes along and
provides a path ground to trip the GFI.

Also, redundancy usually improves safety. GFIs fail alot more often
than the EGC.

Cheers, Wayne


Posted by mm on July 17, 2006, 6:26 pm
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:47:06 GMT, Wayne Whitney

>
>> If an outlet is GFI, does equipment ground still serve any useful
>> purpose?
>
>Yes. With an EGC, equipment that develops an internal ground fault
>(e.g. to the chassis) will trip the breaker. With a GFI only, the
>equipment chassis will remain hot until someone comes along and
>provides a path ground to trip the GFI.
>
>Also, redundancy usually improves safety. GFIs fail alot more often
>than the EGC.

Because GFI's have to do something, something mechanical I think, for
them to work.

The equipment ground is just a wire connected to the chassis. It's
there all the time.

Also, who can be sure that one will always use any electrical device
from the same outlet all the time? (unless it's a furnace or water
heater, or ok, ok.... These aren't GFI outlets anyhow, iiuc.)

>Cheers, Wayne


Posted by Mark Lloyd on July 18, 2006, 10:24 am
wrote:

>On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:47:06 GMT, Wayne Whitney
>
>>
>>> If an outlet is GFI, does equipment ground still serve any useful
>>> purpose?
>>
>>Yes. With an EGC, equipment that develops an internal ground fault
>>(e.g. to the chassis) will trip the breaker. With a GFI only, the
>>equipment chassis will remain hot until someone comes along and
>>provides a path ground to trip the GFI.
>>
>>Also, redundancy usually improves safety. GFIs fail alot more often
>>than the EGC.
>
>Because GFI's have to do something, something mechanical I think, for
>them to work.
>

I'd guess a latching relay that can be put in one position
electrically (tripping), but requires mechanical action (reset button)
to return to the other state.

>The equipment ground is just a wire connected to the chassis. It's
>there all the time.
>
>Also, who can be sure that one will always use any electrical device
>from the same outlet all the time? (unless it's a furnace or water
>heater, or ok, ok.... These aren't GFI outlets anyhow, iiuc.)
>
>>Cheers, Wayne
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