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Don't I need junction boxes? BETA-32 01-05-2007
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Posted by Todd H. on January 5, 2007, 10:10 am



> I just had a handyman-type person wire and install some very basic lights in
> the basement of my home. The lights fixtures are just the very basic round
> white plastic ones where a light bulb screws in. What he did was screw the
> white plastic fixtures directly onto the ceiling joists with no junction
> boxes or mounting boxes.

Oy.

> The wires run along the joists and under the white
> plastic fixture to the contacts.

Double oy, at least in Illinois where everything has to go in
conduit or have a metal jacket.

> I assume that's wrong and doesn't meet electrical codes. Am I right about
> that?

Code depends on the state, IIRC, but this sounds like it'd be a
cluster fsck in all 50 states.

--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

Posted by Tom The Great on January 5, 2007, 12:16 pm


wrote:

>I just had a handyman-type person wire and install some very basic lights in
>the basement of my home. The lights fixtures are just the very basic round
>white plastic ones where a light bulb screws in. What he did was screw the
>white plastic fixtures directly onto the ceiling joists with no junction
>boxes or mounting boxes. The wires run along the joists and under the white
>plastic fixture to the contacts.
>
>I assume that's wrong and doesn't meet electrical codes. Am I right about
>that?
>
>And, yes, I know I should have a licensed electrician, etc., etc.
>
>
>


Oh my, rather than panic for you. ;) Can you post a photo?

tom @ www.FreeWorkAtHomeIdeas.com


Posted by RBM on January 5, 2007, 5:29 pm


That's probably how it's done in many third world countries. I'd suggest an
electrician, or at least a better grade of handy man


>I just had a handyman-type person wire and install some very basic lights
>in the basement of my home. The lights fixtures are just the very basic
>round white plastic ones where a light bulb screws in. What he did was
>screw the white plastic fixtures directly onto the ceiling joists with no
>junction boxes or mounting boxes. The wires run along the joists and under
>the white plastic fixture to the contacts.
>
> I assume that's wrong and doesn't meet electrical codes. Am I right about
> that?
>
> And, yes, I know I should have a licensed electrician, etc., etc.
>
>
>
>



Posted by BETA-32 on January 5, 2007, 5:45 pm


Thanks to everyone. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.

But here's the stupid part (on my end). It's actually an empty house that
he is working on for me. I went there today to do some work and when he
showed up I mentioned, "Don't the lights need to have junction boxes?" He
said, yes, and he had brought the junction boxes with him. He had just
screwed them to the joists temporarily so he could mostly finish the job
before leaving, then was coming back today to do the rest and brought the
junction boxes with him.

>I just had a handyman-type person wire and install some very basic lights
>in the basement of my home. The lights fixtures are just the very basic
>round white plastic ones where a light bulb screws in. What he did was
>screw the white plastic fixtures directly onto the ceiling joists with no
>junction boxes or mounting boxes. The wires run along the joists and under
>the white plastic fixture to the contacts.
>
> I assume that's wrong and doesn't meet electrical codes. Am I right about
> that?
>
> And, yes, I know I should have a licensed electrician, etc., etc.
>
>
>
>



Posted by Tom The Great on January 6, 2007, 9:29 am


On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 17:45:57 -0500, "BETA-32"

>Thanks to everyone. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.
>
>But here's the stupid part (on my end). It's actually an empty house that
>he is working on for me. I went there today to do some work and when he
>showed up I mentioned, "Don't the lights need to have junction boxes?" He
>said, yes, and he had brought the junction boxes with him. He had just
>screwed them to the joists temporarily so he could mostly finish the job
>before leaving, then was coming back today to do the rest and brought the
>junction boxes with him.

IMHO:

Oh, so these could have been temp feston lighting?

Just as a general rule, if your contractor ignores basic safety, not
suggesting this is the case here since no photos and not there, you
might want to second check his work. Some people 'forget' to fix temp
work later, and it becomes permenant.

:D

tom @ www.WorkAtHomePlans.com





>
>>I just had a handyman-type person wire and install some very basic lights
>>in the basement of my home. The lights fixtures are just the very basic
>>round white plastic ones where a light bulb screws in. What he did was
>>screw the white plastic fixtures directly onto the ceiling joists with no
>>junction boxes or mounting boxes. The wires run along the joists and under
>>the white plastic fixture to the contacts.
>>
>> I assume that's wrong and doesn't meet electrical codes. Am I right about
>> that?
>>
>> And, yes, I know I should have a licensed electrician, etc., etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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