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Drywall blues Laurie 06-30-2007
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Posted by Laurie on June 30, 2007, 11:08 am
I am redoing the gameroom as a bedroom for my son now that the pool table's
been sold. I'm removing the awful wallpaper to paint, and have discovered it
is wallpaper over smooth plaster over textured plaster over drywall, but
hey, at least it's only 1 layer of wp. Pulling off the paper has pulled off
some of the smooth plaster, and we're going to have to steam off the rest of
the paper - don't know if that'll affect the plaster or not.

We've discovered some drywall cracks, plus my kid put his forearm through
one wall playing ninja warrior and indented the drywall with what looks like
bouncing a golf ball off of it (you know, the stuff that "Idunno" does?), so
I've got some repairs/replacements to make. This whole house had foundation
work done years ago and last summer a SE said it was holding, so these are
older cracks hidden by the wallpaper.

Q1 - there are some cracks over the doorways: must that drywall be cut out
and replaced or is there anything effective that will work on approx 8" long
1/8 - 1/16" crack between the doorframe and crown molding? I used some
flexible rubbery like spray coating several years ago to finish cracks along
a window on a P&B house I sold, but I never saw if it held or not...

Q2 - there are two corners where there is about 1/8" separation between the
two walls the entire height of the wall. How would I best deal with that?

Q2 - Can I just retexture over the smooth plaster spread over the textured
drywall or is there some reason a 3rd layer could be a problem? I intend to
paint whenever we're done with this mess.

TIA - Laurie




Posted by Sacramento Dave on June 30, 2007, 11:34 am

>I am redoing the gameroom as a bedroom for my son now that the pool table's
>been sold. I'm removing the awful wallpaper to paint, and have discovered
>it is wallpaper over smooth plaster over textured plaster over drywall, but
>hey, at least it's only 1 layer of wp. Pulling off the paper has pulled off
>some of the smooth plaster, and we're going to have to steam off the rest
>of the paper - don't know if that'll affect the plaster or not.
>
> We've discovered some drywall cracks, plus my kid put his forearm through
> one wall playing ninja warrior and indented the drywall with what looks
> like bouncing a golf ball off of it (you know, the stuff that "Idunno"
> does?), so I've got some repairs/replacements to make. This whole house
> had foundation work done years ago and last summer a SE said it was
> holding, so these are older cracks hidden by the wallpaper.
>
> Q1 - there are some cracks over the doorways: must that drywall be cut
> out and replaced or is there anything effective that will work on approx
> 8" long 1/8 - 1/16" crack between the doorframe and crown molding? I used
> some flexible rubbery like spray coating several years ago to finish
> cracks along a window on a P&B house I sold, but I never saw if it held or
> not...
>
> Q2 - there are two corners where there is about 1/8" separation between
> the two walls the entire height of the wall. How would I best deal with
> that?
>
> Q2 - Can I just retexture over the smooth plaster spread over the textured
> drywall or is there some reason a 3rd layer could be a problem? I intend
> to paint whenever we're done with this mess.
>
> TIA - Laurie
>
>
>
Save yourself some time call a drywall contractor that dose repairs and
retextures it's hard to give good advice without seeing it. When I removed
the wallpaper in two bathrooms and a bedroom it tore the walls up pretty bad
. I know on some small cracks I used caulking not sheetrock mud the
caulking if flexible



Posted by Laurie on June 30, 2007, 11:45 am
Sacramento Dave wrote:
> Save yourself some time call a drywall contractor that dose repairs
> and retextures it's hard to give good advice without seeing it. When
> I removed the wallpaper in two bathrooms and a bedroom it tore the
> walls up pretty bad . I know on some small cracks I used caulking
> not sheetrock mud the caulking if flexible

Thanks Dave - :-) I've got more time than money these days. Plus this is a
project my kid wants to do with me, which is fine. I've replaced drywall,
mudded seams and textured a kitchen before, all successfully (in the end),
so I'm not worried about doing it, just want to tap the real talent before
getting into it.

As far as the walls, I'm not pulling off the drywall paper, just a bit of
the top layer of smooth plaster.



Posted by Mike Dobony on June 30, 2007, 9:24 pm

>I am redoing the gameroom as a bedroom for my son now that the pool table's
>been sold. I'm removing the awful wallpaper to paint, and have discovered
>it is wallpaper over smooth plaster over textured plaster over drywall, but
>hey, at least it's only 1 layer of wp. Pulling off the paper has pulled off
>some of the smooth plaster, and we're going to have to steam off the rest
>of the paper - don't know if that'll affect the plaster or not.
>
> We've discovered some drywall cracks, plus my kid put his forearm through
> one wall playing ninja warrior and indented the drywall with what looks
> like bouncing a golf ball off of it (you know, the stuff that "Idunno"
> does?), so I've got some repairs/replacements to make. This whole house
> had foundation work done years ago and last summer a SE said it was
> holding, so these are older cracks hidden by the wallpaper.
>
> Q1 - there are some cracks over the doorways: must that drywall be cut
> out and replaced or is there anything effective that will work on approx
> 8" long 1/8 - 1/16" crack between the doorframe and crown molding? I used
> some flexible rubbery like spray coating several years ago to finish
> cracks along a window on a P&B house I sold, but I never saw if it held or
> not...
>

I am assuming these cracks are in the corners of the door opening and not in
the middle. If this is the case the drywall was hung improperly and the
hangers put a butt joint at or very close to the corner instead of breaking
in the middle or preferrably away from the door (a full sheet across the
opening with no joint near or over the door). If this is the case the
rubbery coating you used might work. The preferred method is to put a
single sheet of drywall all the way across the door opening and up to at
least the next stud away from the door.

> Q2 - there are two corners where there is about 1/8" separation between
> the two walls the entire height of the wall. How would I best deal with
> that?
>

This reinforces the inproper hanging, or in this case, improper mudding of
the corner. Either the mud was put on too thick or there is no joint paper
in the corner. Sand it down to the paper and then redo it the correct way.
They now have inside corner molding. This might not be a bad idea for this
repair.

> Q2 - Can I just retexture over the smooth plaster spread over the textured
> drywall or is there some reason a 3rd layer could be a problem? I intend
> to paint whenever we're done with this mess.
>

Unless you are using texturing paint you need to use green or moisture
resistant dry wall. Either way, a 3rd layer does not sound too good, but I
have no experince in this area. I hang for a living right now and have done
standard mudding in the past.

Mike D.



Posted by Laurie on July 1, 2007, 11:04 am
Mike Dobony wrote:
> "Laurie" wrote:

<snipped intro>

> Q1 - there are some cracks over the doorways: must that drywall be
>> cut out and replaced or is there anything effective that will work
>> on approx 8" long 1/8 - 1/16" crack between the doorframe and crown
>> molding? I used some flexible rubbery like spray coating several
>> years ago to finish cracks along a window on a P&B house I sold, but
>> I never saw if it held or not...
>>
>
> I am assuming these cracks are in the corners of the door opening and
> not in the middle. If this is the case the drywall was hung
> improperly and the hangers put a butt joint at or very close to the
> corner instead of breaking in the middle or preferrably away from the
> door (a full sheet across the opening with no joint near or over the
> door). If this is the case the rubbery coating you used might work. The
> preferred method is to put a single sheet of drywall all the way
> across the door opening and up to at least the next stud away from
> the door.

I didn't know that - in the past it's all been corner cracks at windows and
doors, but this one goes right up the middle. It looks like it was a decent
sized one that was plastered over when they smoothed the wall to wallpaper -
and the top layer of the new plaster pulled away - but it doesn't go all the
way through now. I'll try it the easy way and if it doesn't hold pay someone
to do it right. :-)

>> Q2 - there are two corners where there is about 1/8" separation
>> between the two walls the entire height of the wall. How would I
>> best deal with that?
>>
>
> This reinforces the inproper hanging, or in this case, improper
> mudding of the corner. Either the mud was put on too thick or there
> is no joint paper in the corner. Sand it down to the paper and then
> redo it the correct way. They now have inside corner molding. This
> might not be a bad idea for this repair.

This I can do! As long as the house really is done shifting like the SE
says, it ought to hold.
>
>> Q2 - Can I just retexture over the smooth plaster spread over the
>> textured drywall or is there some reason a 3rd layer could be a
>> problem? I intend to paint whenever we're done with this mess.
>>
>
> Unless you are using texturing paint you need to use green or moisture
> resistant dry wall. Either way, a 3rd layer does not sound too good,
> but I have no experince in this area. I hang for a living right now
> and have done standard mudding in the past.

I'll look into texturing paint. Thanks so much for your advice and education
Mike!

Laurie



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