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Drywall sag Eigenvector 12-25-2006
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Posted by Eigenvector on December 25, 2006, 2:40 pm



>
> Eigenvector wrote:
>> If I have ceiling joists that are 48" apart, will 5/8" drywall sag if
>> mounted on it?
>>
>> I'm not seeing too much information about that around, even though I'm
>> pretty sure 48" is pretty standard framing for a basement.
>>
>> I made the mistake of putting 1/2" up the first time - bad bad mistake
>> that
>> cost me dearly. But 5/8" isn't that much more. The idea of installing
>> 2x4's between the studs isn't my idea of a fun time, especially since it
>> will introduce more margins for error unless I'm a demon for
>> measurements.
>
> Time to buy a chopsaw.
>
> Cut each joist 1/8 - 1/4" long and test fit. Pare the ends until it
> fits.
>
>> I am also considering the idea of using plywood backing over the joists
>> as a
>> way to give the drywall a larger surface to attach to - even if it isn't
>> structural it will still remove any sagging. But that option has the
>> detraction of reducing my headroom by 1/4" or more. I know it doesn't
>> sound
>> like a lot, but it all adds up - not to mention it will make adding
>> lighting
>> fixtures a huge pain in the ass since you can't cut plywood with a
>> drywall
>> saw.
>
> Cheap circular saw or jigsaw with 2 x 4 guide fence.
>
> Two more options: Hang 2 x 4s across the joists, 24" apart. Possible
> downside is this will lower your ceiling 2". That, or a cathedral
> ceiling.
>
A 1x4 may work as well. I was actually thinking of cutting 48" 2x4 spans
and mounting them between the joists at 16" spacings. It's a heck of a lot
of cutting and physically mounting the 2x4s to the joists will be an issue
(not insurmountable though). I'm not in a hurry so I can take my time.

Anyways, I got what I needed from you all, thanks again for the options and
the responses.



Posted by Don Young on December 25, 2006, 10:17 pm



>
>>
>> Eigenvector wrote:
>>> If I have ceiling joists that are 48" apart, will 5/8" drywall sag if
>>> mounted on it?
>>>
>>> I'm not seeing too much information about that around, even though I'm
>>> pretty sure 48" is pretty standard framing for a basement.
>>>
>>> I made the mistake of putting 1/2" up the first time - bad bad mistake
>>> that
>>> cost me dearly. But 5/8" isn't that much more. The idea of installing
>>> 2x4's between the studs isn't my idea of a fun time, especially since it
>>> will introduce more margins for error unless I'm a demon for
>>> measurements.
>>
>> Time to buy a chopsaw.
>>
>> Cut each joist 1/8 - 1/4" long and test fit. Pare the ends until it
>> fits.
>>
>>> I am also considering the idea of using plywood backing over the joists
>>> as a
>>> way to give the drywall a larger surface to attach to - even if it isn't
>>> structural it will still remove any sagging. But that option has the
>>> detraction of reducing my headroom by 1/4" or more. I know it doesn't
>>> sound
>>> like a lot, but it all adds up - not to mention it will make adding
>>> lighting
>>> fixtures a huge pain in the ass since you can't cut plywood with a
>>> drywall
>>> saw.
>>
>> Cheap circular saw or jigsaw with 2 x 4 guide fence.
>>
>> Two more options: Hang 2 x 4s across the joists, 24" apart. Possible
>> downside is this will lower your ceiling 2". That, or a cathedral
>> ceiling.
>>
> A 1x4 may work as well. I was actually thinking of cutting 48" 2x4 spans
> and mounting them between the joists at 16" spacings. It's a heck of a
> lot of cutting and physically mounting the 2x4s to the joists will be an
> issue (not insurmountable though). I'm not in a hurry so I can take my
> time.
>
> Anyways, I got what I needed from you all, thanks again for the options
> and the responses.
>
Don't even consider 1x4's for this. 2x4's on 16" centers is the method that
will be most successful. You could install them with metal brackets if you
don't like accurate cutting and nailing but if you get set up properly it
should not be a difficult job to just cut and nail.

Don't forget to check the evenness of the existing joists. If they are not
reasonably straight and even (level is not very important) you would want to
use a guide string and shims as needed.

Don Young

Don Young



Posted by HeyBub on December 25, 2006, 3:28 pm


Eigenvector wrote:
> If I have ceiling joists that are 48" apart, will 5/8" drywall sag if
> mounted on it?
>
> I'm not seeing too much information about that around, even though I'm
> pretty sure 48" is pretty standard framing for a basement.
>

Maybe you're trying to solve the wrong problem.

Forget the drywall - it's too heavy.

Perhaps ceiling tiles - they're 48" and should be quite easy to install
flush with your joists.



Posted by bowgus on December 25, 2006, 6:04 pm



Eigenvector wrote:
> If I have ceiling joists that are 48" apart, will 5/8" drywall sag if
> mounted on it?


Let me suggest resilent channel (metal) at 16" centre perpendicular to
the joists. Then you can use 1/2 " drywall attached using drywall
screws. And the channel will reduce noise/vibration transmission
between the two areas ... if that's a consideration.


Posted by Bob (but not THAT Bob) on December 25, 2006, 11:15 pm


bowgus wrote:
>
> Eigenvector wrote:
> > If I have ceiling joists that are 48" apart, will 5/8" drywall sag if
> > mounted on it?
>
> Let me suggest resilent channel (metal) at 16" centre perpendicular to
> the joists. Then you can use 1/2 " drywall attached using drywall
> screws. And the channel will reduce noise/vibration transmission
> between the two areas ... if that's a consideration.

The channels are designed to span 24" max, not 48" - so they'll sag too.

I thought of a suspended drywall ceiling, but the main runners couldn't
handle 48" spans either.

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