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Dumb question about copper piping Mortimer Schnerd, RN 10-30-2007
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Posted by Mortimer Schnerd, RN on October 30, 2007, 9:10 am
With the first freeze of the year last night, I crawled under the house to shut
off the water to the back deck and blow out the line with some compressed air.
Imagine my disgust when I discovered the plumber had installed the quarter turn
valve with the access port to the inside of the house rather than outboard of
the other seat/stem type valve. In other words, introducing compressed air to
the valve would blow the water inside the house up until that point rather than
the water from that point outside.

So what to do? I cut the line with a tubing cutter and was going to solder in
another ported quarter turn valve... only this time to the outside of the water
line shutoff. When I tried to fit the valve on the now open piping, no amount
of stuffing and grunting would get the job done. A visit to the local borg
revealed plenty of 1/2" fittings, only they would fit the thinner M type piping.
I assume I've got L tubing which is just a little thicker.

Where do I get valves that would fit? Or should I find some sort of reducer
(seems like more work than I want to do)? And why don't the borgs sell valves
that fit the tubing they sell? They've got both kinds of tubing but just the
smaller diameter valves. The immediate problem is solved: I blew out the line
under the deck after I cut it under the house. But I won't have more water out
there until I repair this.

Gents?



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com





Posted by on October 30, 2007, 9:15 am
Are you putting to much turning pressure with the tubing cutter?if you are
this will be the result.
"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in message
> With the first freeze of the year last night, I crawled under the house to
> shut off the water to the back deck and blow out the line with some
> compressed air. Imagine my disgust when I discovered the plumber had
> installed the quarter turn valve with the access port to the inside of the
> house rather than outboard of the other seat/stem type valve. In other
> words, introducing compressed air to the valve would blow the water inside
> the house up until that point rather than the water from that point
> outside.
>
> So what to do? I cut the line with a tubing cutter and was going to
> solder in another ported quarter turn valve... only this time to the
> outside of the water line shutoff. When I tried to fit the valve on the
> now open piping, no amount of stuffing and grunting would get the job
> done. A visit to the local borg revealed plenty of 1/2" fittings, only
> they would fit the thinner M type piping. I assume I've got L tubing which
> is just a little thicker.
>
> Where do I get valves that would fit? Or should I find some sort of
> reducer (seems like more work than I want to do)? And why don't the borgs
> sell valves that fit the tubing they sell? They've got both kinds of
> tubing but just the smaller diameter valves. The immediate problem is
> solved: I blew out the line under the deck after I cut it under the
> house. But I won't have more water out there until I repair this.
>
> Gents?
>
>
>
> --
> Mortimer Schnerd, RN
> mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
>
>
>
>



Posted by EXT on October 30, 2007, 9:16 am
Type M and Type L have the same outside diameter, just the wall thickness
changes. I have never seen a valve or fitting with a smaller diameter unless
it is intended for pipe other than standard nominal 1/2 copper tubing.

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in message
> With the first freeze of the year last night, I crawled under the house to
> shut off the water to the back deck and blow out the line with some
> compressed air. Imagine my disgust when I discovered the plumber had
> installed the quarter turn valve with the access port to the inside of the
> house rather than outboard of the other seat/stem type valve. In other
> words, introducing compressed air to the valve would blow the water inside
> the house up until that point rather than the water from that point
> outside.
>
> So what to do? I cut the line with a tubing cutter and was going to
> solder in another ported quarter turn valve... only this time to the
> outside of the water line shutoff. When I tried to fit the valve on the
> now open piping, no amount of stuffing and grunting would get the job
> done. A visit to the local borg revealed plenty of 1/2" fittings, only
> they would fit the thinner M type piping. I assume I've got L tubing which
> is just a little thicker.
>
> Where do I get valves that would fit? Or should I find some sort of
> reducer (seems like more work than I want to do)? And why don't the borgs
> sell valves that fit the tubing they sell? They've got both kinds of
> tubing but just the smaller diameter valves. The immediate problem is
> solved: I blew out the line under the deck after I cut it under the
> house. But I won't have more water out there until I repair this.
>
> Gents?
>
>
>
> --
> Mortimer Schnerd, RN
> mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
>
>
>
>



Posted by tomris on October 30, 2007, 11:04 am
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Posted by dpb on October 30, 2007, 9:24 am
Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
...

> So what to do? I cut the line with a tubing cutter and was going to solder in
> another ported quarter turn valve... only this time to the outside of the
water
> line shutoff. When I tried to fit the valve on the now open piping, no amount
> of stuffing and grunting would get the job done. A visit to the local borg
> revealed plenty of 1/2" fittings, only they would fit the thinner M type
piping.
> I assume I've got L tubing which is just a little thicker.
...

K, L and M are same OD, extra wall thickness comes from ID, not OD.

You have either a non-standard tubing or fittings if they don't fit. A
"real" plumbing supply should be able to supply what you need.

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