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Dusty road John Reber 09-14-2007
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Posted by Meat Plow on September 14, 2007, 5:12 pm
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:52:36 -0500, dpb wrote:

> Meat Plow wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:08:39 -0500, jmagerl wrote:
>>
>>> My township used to oil the road and cover with a course sand (so the oil
>>> wouldnt stick to your tires) The sun, traffic and dust combined over the
>>> course of a summer to form a crude kind of asphalt topping. Would last for
>>> 2 or three years depending on winter heave and than they would do it again.
>>> IF you object to using old oil, there is a soybean oil that is used for the
>>> same purpose
>>
>> Here in NE Oh where the rural countryside is peppered with shallow gas and
>> oil wells the local government allowed the spreading/spraying of brine
>> water (mixed with crude oil then separated once in the holding tank and
>> drained off.) for dust control. This worked reasonably well as the brine
>> has a tendency to glue the contents of the road surface together. And it
>> didn't cost anything actually saving the operator costs from pumping the
>> brine down a disposal well.
>
> I think EPA has put a clamp on that -- at least that's what the County
> here is saying is the reason they no longer allow the brine disposal
> usage here...

Could be, this was a few years back when I owned some wells.


Posted by dpb on September 14, 2007, 5:16 pm
Meat Plow wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:52:36 -0500, dpb wrote:
>
>> Meat Plow wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:08:39 -0500, jmagerl wrote:
>>>
>>>> My township used to oil the road and cover with a course sand (so the oil
>>>> wouldnt stick to your tires) The sun, traffic and dust combined over the
>>>> course of a summer to form a crude kind of asphalt topping. Would last for
>>>> 2 or three years depending on winter heave and than they would do it again.
>>>> IF you object to using old oil, there is a soybean oil that is used for the
>>>> same purpose
>>> Here in NE Oh where the rural countryside is peppered with shallow gas and
>>> oil wells the local government allowed the spreading/spraying of brine
>>> water (mixed with crude oil then separated once in the holding tank and
>>> drained off.) for dust control. This worked reasonably well as the brine
>>> has a tendency to glue the contents of the road surface together. And it
>>> didn't cost anything actually saving the operator costs from pumping the
>>> brine down a disposal well.
>> I think EPA has put a clamp on that -- at least that's what the County
>> here is saying is the reason they no longer allow the brine disposal
>> usage here...
>
> Could be, this was a few years back when I owned some wells.

Of course, at the same time, as somebody else noted they still use CaCl
an other stuff all the time and _that_ doesn't offend anybody... :(

On the oil on road, I ran the County guys off enough times when they
would try it here they finally gave it up -- it's not bad when it's dry,
but come wet spell it makes the top surface slick as soap on glass.

Of course, the daxxed red Okie clay "red gravel" they've hauled up here
and spread out in the low spots is even worse -- had several times this
spring if hadn't had the four-wheeler don't think could have made it
back to the house from town up the couple of small hills w/o just going
out into the ditch or the field -- simply too slick to keep it in the
road w/ enough speed up to make the top of the hill -- and that's w/ a
pretty doggone minimal hill height by anybody's except W KS standards.
:( I gave 'em enough of a ration over that they've hauled enough good
old KS sand back in on top of it to at least make it passable although
since it's not rained enough to be more than a spit since end of June...

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Posted by Sandy on September 14, 2007, 1:14 pm
Our Township offers calcium chloride in the spring. They offer to spread it
(for a fee) on the road in front of houses to keep the dust down so you can
enjoy your home and yard without getting blasted with dust when someone
drives by. I notice that when I'm driving down the dirt road, the portions
that have the calcium chloride spread on are dust-free and much smoother
than the portions of the road that were not treated. The road grader
doesn't have to grade those portions as often. I wish they would put that
stuff on the entire road. Here in MN it has to be applied each spring.
Here is a link with more information.
http://www.usroads.com/journals/rmej/9806/rm980603.htm

Sandy
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> Our community has approximately 3.2 miles of dirt roads which over the
> years, maintenance has consisted of purchasing old road milling's and
> spreading them over the road and rolling them in with a big roller. Now
> there is a movement afoot to have the roads paved, which I'm mostly
> against. In my view it will cause more speeding through the community and
> will be hot to walk on or along in the summer.
>
> A legitimate complaint I see from those who want it paved, is the amount
> of dust generated by traffic on these roads. I'm looking for alternative
> solutions that would alleviate the dust problem, but not involve paving
> over the roads.
>
> thanks in advance
>
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>



Posted by willshak on September 14, 2007, 5:42 pm
on 9/14/2007 11:29 AM John Reber said the following:
> Our community has approximately 3.2 miles of dirt roads which over
> the years, maintenance has consisted of purchasing old road milling's
> and spreading them over the road and rolling them in with a big
> roller. Now there is a movement afoot to have the roads paved, which
> I'm mostly against. In my view it will cause more speeding through
> the community and will be hot to walk on or along in the summer.

Both arguments are weak.
Are these private roads or public roads?
Are these roads within a community that has limited access?
Who is paying for the maintenance and paving of the roads, the highway
department or the residents of the community?
Why would the paved roads invite speeders, unless it is a shortcut that
no one uses now because it's not paved.
Unless your community walks on the road barefoot, the temp of the road
will not matter. I have a lot of people taking their morning runs along
the roads in my community. But they wear running shoes.

>
> A legitimate complaint I see from those who want it paved, is the
> amount of dust generated by traffic on these roads. I'm looking for
> alternative solutions that would alleviate the dust problem, but not
> involve paving over the roads.
>
> thanks in advance

1. Oil
2. Calcium chloride spread on the roadway. Requires 2 or 3 treatments a
year.


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Bill
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Posted by mike on September 14, 2007, 6:02 pm

> Why would the paved roads invite speeders, unless it is a shortcut that
> no one uses now because it's not paved.
>

I live on a paved road that doesn't really go anywhere except to a few
homes. It's no shortcut to anywhere, but amazingly we still have
idiots speeding down our road. Some wide but shallow speedbumps
probably would cure that, as long as they are just past MY driveway,
of course. :)

Otherwise I hate speedbumps.


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