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Electric Base Board Heat komobu 09-07-2007
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Posted by on September 7, 2007, 9:44 pm


> did you ever hear of direct vent condensing units


WTF?



Posted by Doug Miller on September 8, 2007, 7:28 am

>He has a crawl space,

Which local codes may -- or may not -- allow to be used for installing a gas
furnace...

>did you ever hear of Propane, its common in most
>areas,

and also more expensive than electricity.

>did you ever hear of direct vent condensing units , maybe
>not, , they to are common.

Yep. He may or may not have a place where he can put one. There *are* limits
on the length of the vent run.

>What we dont know is what he pays per Kwh
>or the location, down south you dont need much heat.

That's right -- we don't know. So your flat assertion that gas is best is just
that -- gas.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Posted by on September 8, 2007, 9:47 am


> >did you ever hear of Propane, its common in most
> >areas,
>
> and also more expensive than electricity.


Would depend on his utility costs for his area.
Propane is normally cheaper than straight electric heat.




Posted by on September 7, 2007, 9:42 pm

> >On Sep 7, 6:05 pm, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
komobu
> >> >I am buying a house for rental property. It currently has a 2 year old
> >> >13 seer 3.5 ton Carrier Central AC System that is self contained and
> >> >sits outside. There is a huge duct that comes out of the unit and
> >> >enters the crawl space and cools the house.
> >>
> >> >As for heat, the house was made in 65 and has electric base board heat
> >> >and I would like to convert to gas forced air, or maybe even a boiler
> >> >system for water that heats the floors.
> >>
> >> Why? It's a rental unit. You're not going to live there. Why do you
care what
> >> the heating system is?
> >>
> >> Retrofitting a hot-water radiant floor heating system into a house that
> > wasn't
> >> designed for it will be very, very expensive. Hot water heat is
wonderful --
> >> but if you're going to retrofit that into a house, do it to _your_own_
house,
> >> not a rental.
> >>
> >> >What are my options?
> >>
> >> That depends a lot on what type of energy sources are available at the
> >> property. For example, if there are no gas mains in the neighborhood,
then
> >> putting in a natural gas furnace is obviously not an option.
> >>
> >> >If I was
> >> >to install a natural gas heater, could I hook into the AC Duct under
> >> >the house?
> >>
> >> Yes, but there are several questions you need answers to first:
> >> 1) is natural gas available at the house?
> >> 2) is there a place to put the furnace?
> >> 3) is there a place to *vent* the furnace?
> >> 4) can you recover the additional cost?
> >>
> >> >I hate to think what the electric heat is going to cost
> >> >with base board.
> >>
> >> Why do you care what electric heat is going to cost, if the tenant pays
the
> >> bill?
> >>
> >> >Any suggestions would be welcome.
> >>
> >> My principal suggestion is to leave it alone. You're probably never
going to
> >> recover the additional cost.
> >
> >A gas furnace would be best and easy to install.
>
> Garbage. You don't know that. What if natural gas isn't even available in
the
> neighborhood? What if the house has no place where a gas furnace can be
> installed or vented?


LP?
Package Gas/Electric?
Both of these solve the above issues.
But without more info, everything is a WAG as to what is best for the OP.


> >Ducts should be
> >sealed with mastic and well insulated. You should care about heating
> >cost, Electric is more expensive by a large margin in most areas, if
> >utilities are to high tennants wont stay, it also limits what you can
> >ask in rent.
>
> Needing to recover the cost of a new heating system also places a lower
limit
> on what he *needs* to get in rent.


Higher rent normally gets you a better renter.
It also works out as an investment...
Why let the utility companies make the extra money when you can?



Posted by on September 7, 2007, 9:39 pm


> A gas furnace would be best and easy to install. Ducts should be
> sealed with mastic and well insulated. You should care about heating
> cost, Electric is more expensive by a large margin in most areas, if
> utilities are to high tennants wont stay, it also limits what you can
> ask in rent. A Boiler means alot of plumbing and is more expensive in
> itself, stay with forced air.


It's all based on utility cost...
Until we know what his rates are, it's hard for us to say whether gas is a
lot cheaper than electric.

It may be in his best interest to change out the package unit with either a
HP or a Gas/Electric pkg.
Without being on site and without more information, everything is a WAG.



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