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Posted by Bud-- on May 13, 2007, 7:08 pm
w_tom wrote:
>
> w_tom provided numerous sources of facts.
Never seen - a source that says plug-in suppressors are NOT effective.
Or that UL-1449-2ed is a problem.
> Bud would have everyone
> believe IEEE, et al recommend plug-in protectors. Wrong. IEEE makes
> recommendations in standards - not in papers. Many IEEE Standards
> each define one thing essential for protection: earthing. Not a
> protector. Earthing.
With a minimal ability to read anyone, except apparently w_, can look at
the IEEE guide, pdf page 4 and find that the guide was peer-reviewed in
the IEEE and represents the views of the IEEE.
But w_ has a religious belief (immune from challenge) that surge
protection must use earthing. w_ must deny what is obvious to protect
his belief in earthing.
>
> Bud's own citation (Page 42 Figure 8) shows TVs being damaged - 8000
> volts destructively - because a protector was too close to appliances
> and too far from earthing.
[The illustration, from the IEEE guide, shows a surge on a CATV cable
and 2 TVs, TV1 has a plug-in suppressor.]
The new lie.
The “protector” does not cause any damage. The “protector” protects TV1.
The “protector” reduces the surge at the TV2 from 10,000V to 8,000V.
With minimal reading ability anyone, almost, can read the text - "to
protect TV2, a second multiport protector located at TV2 is required".
The IEEE guide says plug–in suppressors are effective.
But w_ must discredit the guide (as above) and distort the guide (here)
to protect his religious belief in earthing.
>
> What does a protector do? Earth. A protector with a short (ie
> 'less than 10 foot') connection to earth provides a non-destructive
> surge path.
The religious belief in earthing #2. But the IEEE guide, as stated
numerous times, explains plug-in suppressors work primarily by clamping
the voltage on all wires (power and signal) to the common ground at the
suppressor, not earthing. The IEEE guide says earth grounding occurs
elsewhere.
> But
> a protector too far from earth ground and too close to TVs .... that
> is Page 42 Figure 8 in Bud's citation - TVs destroyed.
The new lie repeated.
>
> Effective surge protection earths a typically destructive surge so
> that 8000 volts does not pass through TVs - page 42 figure 8.
The new lie #3.
> ... 'whole house'
> protectors. Some models are available in Lowes and Home Depot for
> less than $50.
Challenged by many people.
Lowes online has no ‘whole house’ protectors.
Home Depot has no ‘whole house protectors near $50.
Yet another of w_’s ‘facts’ which he can provide no link to substantiate.
> No wonder effective protectors have a dedicated wire
> just for earthing.
The religious belief in earthing #3.
>
> Bud hopes the lurker will not notice what his other citation says:
> http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/practiceguides/surgesfnl.pdf
> Adobe page 8 (page 6) says:
>
>>You cannot really suppress a surge altogether, nor
>>"arrest" it. What these protective devices do is
>>neither suppress nor arrest a surge, but simply
>>divert it to ground, where it can do no harm. So
>>a name that makes sense would be "surge diverter"
>>but it was not picked. So, for the rest of this
>>booklet, we will stick to the most popular "surge
>>protector".
What does the NIST guide actually say about plug–in suppressors?
They are "the easiest solution".
and:
"Q - Will a surge protector installed at the service entrance be
sufficient for the whole house?
A - There are two answers to than question: Yes for one-link appliances,
No for two-link appliances [equipment connected to power AND phone or
CATV or....]. Since most homes today have some kind of two-link
appliances, the prudent answer to the question would be NO - but that
does not mean that a surge protector installed at the service entrance
is useless."
Again w_ must distort what a guide actually says to protect his
religious belief in earthing.
>
> Bud also posts that protectors clamp - but do not earth? Earthing
> is defined as necessary by his own citations. A protector is not
> protection. A protector is nothing more than a connecting device to
> protection. An effective protector 'shunts' a surge to protection.
> What is the protection? Earth ground.
The religious belief in earthing #4.
I only repeat what the IEEE guide says - plug-in suppressors work
primarily by clamping, not earthing.
> As Bud's Page 42 Figure 8 demonstrates - a protector too
> close to appliances and too far from earth ground may '8000 volts'
> overwhelm and destroy internal appliance protection.
The new lie #4.
Want to know if plug–in suppressors work? Read the IEEE and/or NIST
guides. Both guides say plug-in suppressors are effective.
Then read w_’s sources:
Never a link that says plug-in suppressors are NOT effective.
Never a link that says UL-1449-2ed is a problem.
Never a link to a $50 ‘whole house’ suppressor.
All you get is w_'s beliefs.
Bizarre claim - plug-in surge suppressors don't work
No sources.
Distort or attempt to discredit opposing sources.
Attempt to discredit opponents.
w_ is a purveyor of junk science.
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bud--
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