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Electrical again-Ceiling fixtures Charles Bishop 02-06-2008
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Posted by Charles Bishop on February 6, 2008, 8:27 pm
I have a recessed fixture I'd like to convert to a surface mount fixture.

1. I'd remove the bulb and screw in a plug adaptor into the socket. Then
(power's off of course) plug in the male end of a extension cord, cut to
about 6 inches with the two ends stripped. Attach these two ends to the
leads for the fixture, keeping polarity. Then attach the fixture to the
ceiling and Bob's my uncle.

Anything wrong with this? I'd like to avoid removing the recessed fixture
and doing the work that entails.

If that's no good, how about

2. Power off. I remove the adjustable part of the can, with the socket
and disconnect the power wires from the socket. I use these wires to
connect with the leads from the surface mount fixture and then proceed as
in 1. Can the recessed fixture act as a jct box with no other
modification?

--
charles

Posted by Nate Nagel on February 6, 2008, 8:52 pm
Charles Bishop wrote:
> I have a recessed fixture I'd like to convert to a surface mount fixture.
>
> 1. I'd remove the bulb and screw in a plug adaptor into the socket. Then
> (power's off of course) plug in the male end of a extension cord, cut to
> about 6 inches with the two ends stripped. Attach these two ends to the
> leads for the fixture, keeping polarity. Then attach the fixture to the
> ceiling and Bob's my uncle.
>
> Anything wrong with this? I'd like to avoid removing the recessed fixture
> and doing the work that entails.
>
> If that's no good, how about
>
> 2. Power off. I remove the adjustable part of the can, with the socket
> and disconnect the power wires from the socket. I use these wires to
> connect with the leads from the surface mount fixture and then proceed as
> in 1. Can the recessed fixture act as a jct box with no other
> modification?
>

why not remove the can light and then replace it with a ceiling box and
fan support? Those can be installed through a hole in the ceiling
little bigger than the box itself, and will provide a 100% proper
installation.

nate

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Posted by Charles Bishop on February 6, 2008, 9:21 pm

>Charles Bishop wrote:
>> I have a recessed fixture I'd like to convert to a surface mount fixture.
>>
>> 1. I'd remove the bulb and screw in a plug adaptor into the socket. Then
>> (power's off of course) plug in the male end of a extension cord, cut to
>> about 6 inches with the two ends stripped. Attach these two ends to the
>> leads for the fixture, keeping polarity. Then attach the fixture to the
>> ceiling and Bob's my uncle.
>>
>> Anything wrong with this? I'd like to avoid removing the recessed fixture
>> and doing the work that entails.
>>
>> If that's no good, how about
>>
>> 2. Power off. I remove the adjustable part of the can, with the socket
>> and disconnect the power wires from the socket. I use these wires to
>> connect with the leads from the surface mount fixture and then proceed as
>> in 1. Can the recessed fixture act as a jct box with no other
>> modification?
>>
>
>why not remove the can light and then replace it with a ceiling box and
>fan support? Those can be installed through a hole in the ceiling
>little bigger than the box itself, and will provide a 100% proper
>installation.

Because it's in a ceiling that is expanded metal lath on steel supports,
not the usual joists. I'd like to avoid the additional work and expense of
removing the entire unit.

--
charles

Posted by Pete C. on February 6, 2008, 10:11 pm
Charles Bishop wrote:
>
>
> >Charles Bishop wrote:
> >> I have a recessed fixture I'd like to convert to a surface mount fixture.
> >>
> >> 1. I'd remove the bulb and screw in a plug adaptor into the socket. Then
> >> (power's off of course) plug in the male end of a extension cord, cut to
> >> about 6 inches with the two ends stripped. Attach these two ends to the
> >> leads for the fixture, keeping polarity. Then attach the fixture to the
> >> ceiling and Bob's my uncle.
> >>
> >> Anything wrong with this? I'd like to avoid removing the recessed fixture
> >> and doing the work that entails.
> >>
> >> If that's no good, how about
> >>
> >> 2. Power off. I remove the adjustable part of the can, with the socket
> >> and disconnect the power wires from the socket. I use these wires to
> >> connect with the leads from the surface mount fixture and then proceed as
> >> in 1. Can the recessed fixture act as a jct box with no other
> >> modification?
> >>
> >
> >why not remove the can light and then replace it with a ceiling box and
> >fan support? Those can be installed through a hole in the ceiling
> >little bigger than the box itself, and will provide a 100% proper
> >installation.
>
> Because it's in a ceiling that is expanded metal lath on steel supports,
> not the usual joists. I'd like to avoid the additional work and expense of
> removing the entire unit.
>
> --
> charles

The turnbuckle style expanding ceiling fan support boxes should work
equally well with steel joists unless the spacing is a lot more than the
usual 16".

Posted by Charles Bishop on February 10, 2008, 12:23 am

>Charles Bishop wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Charles Bishop wrote:
>> >> I have a recessed fixture I'd like to convert to a surface mount fixture.
>> >>
>> >> 1. I'd remove the bulb and screw in a plug adaptor into the socket. Then
>> >> (power's off of course) plug in the male end of a extension cord, cut to
>> >> about 6 inches with the two ends stripped. Attach these two ends to the
>> >> leads for the fixture, keeping polarity. Then attach the fixture to the
>> >> ceiling and Bob's my uncle.
>> >>
>> >> Anything wrong with this? I'd like to avoid removing the recessed fixture
>> >> and doing the work that entails.
>> >>
>> >> If that's no good, how about
>> >>
>> >> 2. Power off. I remove the adjustable part of the can, with the socket
>> >> and disconnect the power wires from the socket. I use these wires to
>> >> connect with the leads from the surface mount fixture and then proceed as
>> >> in 1. Can the recessed fixture act as a jct box with no other
>> >> modification?
>> >>
>> >
>> >why not remove the can light and then replace it with a ceiling box and
>> >fan support? Those can be installed through a hole in the ceiling
>> >little bigger than the box itself, and will provide a 100% proper
>> >installation.
>>
>> Because it's in a ceiling that is expanded metal lath on steel supports,
>> not the usual joists. I'd like to avoid the additional work and expense of
>> removing the entire unit.
>>
>> --
>> charles
>
>The turnbuckle style expanding ceiling fan support boxes should work
>equally well with steel joists unless the spacing is a lot more than the
>usual 16".

These aren't steel joists. It's steel U-channel that has expanded metal
lath attached, then plaster (or stucco). Please believe me when I say I'm
looking for a solution that doesn't involve taking out the existing cans
and replacing them with a j-box. Doing this work would cost more than is
in the budget.

--
charles

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