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Electrical code for spas in Phoenix( Gilbert) GotBonus 07-19-2006
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Posted by GotBonus on July 19, 2006, 3:59 pm
I recently purchased a new spa from a company called "lifespas" in phoenix.
One of the features of the spa is that it has a GFCI breaker built in to the
electrical control panel.
they TOLD me that this eliminates the need for a GFCI breaker at the sub box
on my patio and that all I need is a 50 amp breaker.
The sub box is about 7 feet from the tub and line of sight.

Now, I have had several electricians say they believe that there still needs
to be a GFCI breaker in the sub box to make this meet code.
Has anyone heard of such a thing?
I know each state/city is different, but is this safe?

I live in Gilbert AZ just East of phoenix, I am assuming I would call the
city of Gilbert inspector to find out more...




Posted by sparty on July 19, 2006, 5:29 pm
I would call your city and ask to talk to an inspector. They can tell
you for sure whether this meets the code or not.

GotBonus wrote:
> I recently purchased a new spa from a company called "lifespas" in phoenix.
> One of the features of the spa is that it has a GFCI breaker built in to the
> electrical control panel.
> they TOLD me that this eliminates the need for a GFCI breaker at the sub box
> on my patio and that all I need is a 50 amp breaker.
> The sub box is about 7 feet from the tub and line of sight.
>
> Now, I have had several electricians say they believe that there still needs
> to be a GFCI breaker in the sub box to make this meet code.
> Has anyone heard of such a thing?
> I know each state/city is different, but is this safe?
>
> I live in Gilbert AZ just East of phoenix, I am assuming I would call the
> city of Gilbert inspector to find out more...


Posted by on July 19, 2006, 8:22 pm
wrote:

>I recently purchased a new spa from a company called "lifespas" in phoenix.
>One of the features of the spa is that it has a GFCI breaker built in to the
>electrical control panel.
>they TOLD me that this eliminates the need for a GFCI breaker at the sub box
>on my patio and that all I need is a 50 amp breaker.
>The sub box is about 7 feet from the tub and line of sight.
>
>Now, I have had several electricians say they believe that there still needs
>to be a GFCI breaker in the sub box to make this meet code.
>Has anyone heard of such a thing?
>I know each state/city is different, but is this safe?
>
>I live in Gilbert AZ just East of phoenix, I am assuming I would call the
>city of Gilbert inspector to find out more...
>
>
Your local AHJ will know what he wantys but the NEC says

680.44(A) Listed Units. If so marked, a listed self-contained unit or
listed packaged equipment assembly that includes integral ground-fault
circuit-interrupter protection for all electrical parts within the
unit or assembly (pumps, air blowers, heaters, lights, controls,
sanitizer generators, wiring, and so forth) shall be permitted without
additional GFCI protection.

Posted by on July 20, 2006, 8:21 am

gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> wrote:
>
> >I recently purchased a new spa from a company called "lifespas" in phoenix.
> >One of the features of the spa is that it has a GFCI breaker built in to the
> >electrical control panel.
> >they TOLD me that this eliminates the need for a GFCI breaker at the sub box
> >on my patio and that all I need is a 50 amp breaker.
> >The sub box is about 7 feet from the tub and line of sight.
> >
> >Now, I have had several electricians say they believe that there still needs
> >to be a GFCI breaker in the sub box to make this meet code.
> >Has anyone heard of such a thing?
> >I know each state/city is different, but is this safe?
> >
> >I live in Gilbert AZ just East of phoenix, I am assuming I would call the
> >city of Gilbert inspector to find out more...
> >
> >
> Your local AHJ will know what he wantys but the NEC says
>
> 680.44(A) Listed Units. If so marked, a listed self-contained unit or
> listed packaged equipment assembly that includes integral ground-fault
> circuit-interrupter protection for all electrical parts within the
> unit or assembly (pumps, air blowers, heaters, lights, controls,
> sanitizer generators, wiring, and so forth) shall be permitted without
> additional GFCI protection.


I think this still leaves some doubt. If the unit went inside, then I
think the above is clear. However, isn't it different if it goes
outside? Code also requires a seperate additional disconnect means
located nearby the spa. Since that switch or fuse box, etc, is located
outside, doesn't that require a GFCI?


Posted by on July 20, 2006, 12:24 pm
On 20 Jul 2006 05:21:33 -0700, trader4@optonline.net wrote:

>
>gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I recently purchased a new spa from a company called "lifespas" in phoenix.
>> >One of the features of the spa is that it has a GFCI breaker built in to the
>> >electrical control panel.
>> >they TOLD me that this eliminates the need for a GFCI breaker at the sub box
>> >on my patio and that all I need is a 50 amp breaker.
>> >The sub box is about 7 feet from the tub and line of sight.
>> >
>> >Now, I have had several electricians say they believe that there still needs
>> >to be a GFCI breaker in the sub box to make this meet code.
>> >Has anyone heard of such a thing?
>> >I know each state/city is different, but is this safe?
>> >
>> >I live in Gilbert AZ just East of phoenix, I am assuming I would call the
>> >city of Gilbert inspector to find out more...
>> >
>> >
>> Your local AHJ will know what he wantys but the NEC says
>>
>> 680.44(A) Listed Units. If so marked, a listed self-contained unit or
>> listed packaged equipment assembly that includes integral ground-fault
>> circuit-interrupter protection for all electrical parts within the
>> unit or assembly (pumps, air blowers, heaters, lights, controls,
>> sanitizer generators, wiring, and so forth) shall be permitted without
>> additional GFCI protection.
>
>
>I think this still leaves some doubt. If the unit went inside, then I
>think the above is clear. However, isn't it different if it goes
>outside? Code also requires a seperate additional disconnect means
>located nearby the spa. Since that switch or fuse box, etc, is located
>outside, doesn't that require a GFCI?


The only person who can really answer this is the AHJ in Phoenix

As a general rule the only outdoor receptacles that require GFCI
protection are 120v 15 & 20a but there are specific requirements for
some others. This is far to much of a grey area for an answer to be
valid from town to town. Bear in mind there may also be bonding issues
too. If this is going to be 2005 code these can be significant.

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