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Electrical code question jmagerl 09-01-2007
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Posted by RBM on September 1, 2007, 7:55 pm
The 1962 NEC was the first to require boxes to have a screw for the specific
purpose of attaching that ground conductor. Before that, the conductor was
often cut off, but usually turned back around the cable body and clamped
down by the cable clamp, which actually provided a pretty decent ground


>
>> The ground wires, if more than one, should be connected together under a
>> crimp or wire nut and attached to the metal box by turning under a
>> machine screw or by using a listed green grounding clip. What he's done
>> is incorrect
>>
>>
> Incorrect by current code, but I know it was common practice from the late
> 50's (when romex with the bare ground wire came into comon use) at least
> until the late 70's. Given how brittle old wire gets, and how seldom there
> is any usable slack in the walls, is there any good reason to try to
> re-wire old work to meet current practice? All the outlets in this place
> were wired that way when I changed them out, and I opted not to disturb
> the existing clamps beyond giving the screws a turn to make sure the
> clamps were snug. All outlets show 'green light' on the idiot meter,
> indicating a good ground. Note that the outlets were not pig-tailed, they
> were daisy-chained via the side screws (albeit with the polarity reversed
> on about half of them.)
>
> aem sends....
>



Posted by Doug Miller on September 1, 2007, 6:38 pm
>
>>>I live in a house that used to belong to a DIY'er. Problem is, there isn't
>>>anything he did right. I am in the middle of fixing his mess in the
>>>garage.
>>>HEre is the situation: The main breaker is in the basement .it is a 20 Amp
>>>dual breaker. THere is a subpanel in an upstairs closet (don't ask me why)
>>
>> If it's a clothes closet, or linen closet, that's a Code violation.
>
>Yes its a clothes closet. Chalk another one up to the idiot. I'm not even
>sure why theres a subpanel, its an attached garage. 50 ft of wire would
>reach the garage from the basement panel.

Specifically prohibited under 2005 National Electrical Code, Article
240.24(D): "Overcurrent devices shall not be located in the vicinity of easily
ignitible material, such as in clothes closets."
>
>A different question. Thru out this whole house, He has taken the ground
>wire in the romex and bent it so it was under the box termination clamp (not
>sure of the nomenclature). The assumption is that the romex clamp contacts
>the ground which than contacts the box by the nut. I'm having a hard time
>believing that is code.

It's not -- now. Cable clamps, box mounting screws, and the like are not
permitted by the 2005 Code (and, I think, by the 2002 Code) to be used for any
other purposes, including attachment of ground wires. This hasn't always been
the case, though. I'm not sure when these prohibitions entered the Code, but
it's entirely possible that this *was* permitted at the time it was installed.

>In several spots he has looped the ground wire thru
>a hole in the box and then nailed the box up with the intent that the ground
>wire is pinched between the box and the stud. I cringe everytime I fix
>something.

*That* has never been permitted.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Posted by The Reverend Natural Light on September 2, 2007, 12:30 pm
On Sep 1, 4:22 pm, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
> >THere is a subpanel in an upstairs closet (don't ask me why)
>
> If it's a clothes closet, or linen closet, that's a Code violation.
>

Is it legal to put a subpanel in a walk-in closet? How about a
subpanel in an attic accessible by pull-down stairs?





Posted by on September 2, 2007, 1:07 pm
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 09:30:40 -0700, The Reverend Natural Light

>Is it legal to put a subpanel in a walk-in closet?

Not if you store flammibles in there (clothes, linens, paint or
whatever)

> How about a
>subpanel in an attic accessible by pull-down stairs?

Only if you have 6'6 headroom and the 30x36 working clearance in front
of it.

Posted by HeyBub on September 2, 2007, 3:11 pm
gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 09:30:40 -0700, The Reverend Natural Light
>
>> Is it legal to put a subpanel in a walk-in closet?
>
> Not if you store flammibles in there (clothes, linens, paint or
> whatever)
>
>> How about a
>> subpanel in an attic accessible by pull-down stairs?
>
> Only if you have 6'6 headroom and the 30x36 working clearance in front
> of it.

How about putting the panel in the floor if all your wall space is taken up
by pictures? (small pictures).



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