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Faulty Thermostat Causes Homeowner's Power Bills To Skyrocket edb 07-19-2006
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Posted by edb on July 19, 2006, 8:15 am
Defective Honeywell thermostat.
Ed B


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Posted by hallerb@aol.com on July 19, 2006, 8:20 am

edb wrote:
> Defective Honeywell thermostat.
> Ed B
>
>
>
http://www.local6.com/news/9539599/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=2651720987813&tml=orlpn_dailyforecast&tmi=orlpn_dailyforecast_1_04000207192006&ts=H

honeywell owed him the bucks too bad customer service wasnt
cooperative...


Posted by MDT at Paragon Home Inspection on July 19, 2006, 10:10 am
This one may be pretty tricky. My guess, offhand, is that the
thermostat might not have been "defective" in the sense of a
manufacturing defect, but rather that this might have been a design
defect: that it was possible to program the heat and cooling
set-points such that the thermostat could call for both simultaneously.

If so, a system might operate fine as long as 'stat was in ether the
"heat" or "cooling" mode (which is how it would likely be
tested during installation) but if it was switched it to the "auto"
mode afterwards, both might be active

I can see how an HVAC contractor or Home Inspector could easily "miss"
this unless they had a prior reason to test for it - both would likely
force the system directly into the 'stats "heating" and "cooling" modes
as required for routine testing - and I'd have to agree that it's
unreasonable to "expect" a typical homeowner to detect the problem
other than in the form of a high electric bill.

Michael Thomas
Paragon Home Inspection, LLC
Chicago, IL
mdtATparagoninspectsDOTcom
847-475-568


Posted by Tony Hwang on July 19, 2006, 10:22 am
MDT at Paragon Home Inspections, LLC wrote:
> This one may be pretty tricky. My guess, offhand, is that the
> thermostat might not have been "defective" in the sense of a
> manufacturing defect, but rather that this might have been a design
> defect: that it was possible to program the heat and cooling
> set-points such that the thermostat could call for both simultaneously.
>
> If so, a system might operate fine as long as 'stat was in ether the
> "heat" or "cooling" mode (which is how it would likely be
> tested during installation) but if it was switched it to the "auto"
> mode afterwards, both might be active
>
> I can see how an HVAC contractor or Home Inspector could easily "miss"
> this unless they had a prior reason to test for it - both would likely
> force the system directly into the 'stats "heating" and "cooling" modes
> as required for routine testing - and I'd have to agree that it's
> unreasonable to "expect" a typical homeowner to detect the problem
> other than in the form of a high electric bill.
>
> Michael Thomas
> Paragon Home Inspection, LLC
> Chicago, IL
> mdtATparagoninspectsDOTcom
> 847-475-568
>
Hi,
In design aspect that can't happen. In auto mode it's either cool or
heat, not both. ASIC can't do both at the same time.

Posted by MDT at Paragon Home Inspection on July 19, 2006, 1:24 pm
> In design aspect that can't happen. In auto mode it's either cool or
> heat, not both. ASIC can't do both at the same time.

Well, I'm no EE, and "Don't turn on heating and cooling at the same
time" would seem to be something rational beings would want to
implement at a pretty fundamental level when designing thermostats, so
unless somebody else comes along and says differently, I'll take your
word for it

But if the the article is correct, and a properly connected thermostat
was energizing both, it would be interesting to know what mechanical,
electrical or electronic defect was present.

I've submitted a request to Honeywell Tech Support for additional
information on this problem, if I get an answer, I'll post it.

Michael Thomas
Paragon Home Inspection, LLC
Chicago, IL
mdtATparagoninspectsDOTcom
847-475-568


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