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Fed up with Radon john 07-17-2008
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Posted by on July 17, 2008, 11:46 pm
wrote:
> warning....pretty long post
>
> I am so fed up with Radon right now I dont know what to do. =A0 I complet=
ely
> sealed every single crack with poleurothane chaulking. =A06 mm plastic
> sheeting down , =A0padding down , 1/2 think laminated wood flooring down.=
..
> Wood trim sealed with chaulking on top and on bottom.
>
> http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i105/boczor/DSC00534.jpg=A0 ( a little
> blurry )
>
> =A0I've never had any problems with wetness or dampness on that level.
>
> There is absolutely no way at all from the bottom that the radon can come
> through. =A0So the only place it could be coming through is through the
> drywall via the extreme outer parts of the foundation area. =A0And possib=
ly
> from the buildup directly underneath the flooring where it cannot escape.
> So its possibly seeping through from underneath the flooring / underneath
> the woodtrim / towards the interior drywall. =A0Thats my final conclusion=
.
>
> I still have the same levels as I had before all this work was done.
> Around 5 to 8 pcI . =A0I monitor all the time and even have an =A0accurat=
e
> electronic one that monitors it every hour. =A0 I've never seen it ever g=
o
> above 9pcI here...for years now =A0 I even occasionally send charcol pack=
ets
> for lab analysis that confirm that my electronic gauge is very accurate.
> Im almost at the point where I dont care anymore and im just going to liv=
e
> with it. =A0Normal levels in Canada for the longest time used to be 20 pc=
I or
> under. =A0They recently lowered the legal level to 5 pcI. =A0Yet the u.s.=
level
> is 4 pcI . =A0Is this going to change all the time ? =A0 I mean its not l=
ike I
> have 5000 pcI like some houses out there.
>
> I have a bi-level house. =A0 I cant have a mitigation system installed si=
nce I
> have no gravel underneath the foundation for the gas to breathe through. =
I
> heard this was common with bi-levels. =A0My house was built in 1993. =A0I=
also
> have radiant heating...another pain in the ass thing that the mitigation
> installers around here dont want to mess with... =A0and plus with the woo=
d
> flooring installed, the only place would be the garage to install the
> mitigation...and thats another problem since nobody knows if the garage i=
s
> on a seperate slab of concrete then the main floor. =A0The vaccum effect
> wouldnt work if its on another slab. =A0 =A0Plus theres no gravel underne=
ath.
>
> So I decided to take matters into my own hands today and dug underneath m=
y
> foundation -
>
> http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i105/boczor/DSC00532.jpg
>
> It took me 2 hours to get around these boulders of rocks with a hand
> shovel.. (not seen in picture) =A0The point I stopped at was right when t=
he
> thunder storm moved in. =A0But im pretty sure im under the foundation ? =
=A0 Any
> advice to do from here on out would be much appreciated. =A0I left it lik=
e
> that for now. (dont worry the storm moved by quick...barely any rain)
> Maybe stick a pipe underneath there?....put the dirt back and see if the
> levels drop ? =A0 Why bother with a mitigation system for that section wh=
en I
> dont have gravel underneath ? =A0 Plus if I did have a gravel layer it wo=
uld
> probably show up in that pic anyway right ?
>
> I feel exhaused with my efforts....and exhaused from the uncertainty from
> the 2 different mitigation estimate people i've been dealing with. =A0 Bo=
th
> people just didnt have a definate answer on what would work... And I hate
> crap like that when their like "well....we can drill one hole here...and =
see
> if that works....if that doesnt work....wellllllllllllllll...........we c=
an
> drill another hole............and welllllll...........if that doesnt
> work............we can try something else..................and if that
> doesnt work.......... , etc, etc... =A0 by that time I had a brain tumor =
and
> told them to leave. =A0 =A0I just want it to be fixed and done with, but =
that is
> not possible with radon. =A0especially with my situation. =A0 =A0Very agg=
ravating.
>
> I've also heard that the only governmental radon / lung cancer studies th=
at
> have EVER been done have been with Miners. =A0People that work thousands =
of
> feet underground... of course their going to have problems. =A0 Theres ne=
ver
> been any household radon / lung cancer studies done... EVER. =A0 =A0Somet=
imes I
> think its a whole corrupt government thing. =A0Maybe the Real studies
> indicated that anything under 10 pcI is completely safe. =A0But if they
> officially say it has to be under 4 pcI....when then they make a whole lo=
t
> more money that way. =A0 A whole lot more houses end up above the legal
> limits.
>
> Sorry for all my blabber, im mostly looking into any positive insight on
> what I can do with that hole I dug. =A0 (I sense sarcastic remarks incomi=
ng)
>
> Seriously, I appreciate any insight. =A0 I really dont know what to do an=
ymore
> with this radon.

I have looked into the radon thing a few times, and there has never
been mention of gravel under the slab as being a requirement for a
successful fan-based mitiogation system.

Dave


Posted by LdB on July 18, 2008, 12:52 am


john wrote:
> warning....pretty long post
>
> I am so fed up with Radon right now I dont know what to do. I
> completely sealed every single crack with poleurothane chaulking. 6 mm
> plastic sheeting down , padding down , 1/2 think laminated wood
> flooring down... Wood trim sealed with chaulking on top and on bottom.
>


Have you considered an air exchanger. Draw air from the basement and
vent it outside. Bring fresh outside air in to the house upstairs.
With a slight negative pressure in the basement and a slight positive
pressure upstairs the radon may be kept out of the living areas and be
diluted by the air moving into the basement from the rest of the house.

I have an air exchanger and run it 24/7/365.

LdB


Posted by Charles Pisano on July 18, 2008, 5:06 am


Before we knew of radon and had radon testing equipment, we had nothing.
And people have lived a very long time in homes that had never been
tested.

They lived with asbestos, lead and radon. Chances are, if your ancestors
had longevity you will too. Unless of course you're the exception
because you spent half your nights worrying about something your
ancestors never had to..

Open a window, breathe in the air and enjoy life....


Posted by hallerb@aol.com on July 18, 2008, 7:07 am


On Jul 18, 5:06=EF=BF=BDam, pisanoc...@webtv.net (Charles Pisano) wrote:
> Before we knew of radon and had radon testing equipment, we had nothing.
> And people have lived a very long time in homes that had never been
> tested.
>
> They lived with asbestos, lead and radon. Chances are, if your ancestors
> had longevity you will too. Unless of course you're the exception
> because you spent half your nights worrying about something your
> ancestors never had to..
>
> Open a window, breathe in the air and enjoy life....

except if you weant to sell a home with high radon levels.

yep the radon is coming up around the perimeter, thru the walls and
even thru the block.

so hw much ere the estimates?

the radon mitigation should of been done BEFORE inishing the space:
( now it will cost more:(

Posted by john on July 18, 2008, 9:08 am




>If it's not

>asbestos, or radon, or buried oil tanks, they'll think of something new.



I have an underground oil tank still in use…..15 years old. I’ll worry
about that in the future sometime.



>Do you have a sump pit?



Nope. It’s a bi-level. No basement.



>the radon mitigation should of been done BEFORE inishing the space.



Trust me, I know. The flooring itself was suppose to reduce the levels to
normal range anyway…it didn’t. Plus I cant install a mitigation system
there anyway. There is a bathroom fan downstairs…that’s about it..


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