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Fed up with Radon john 07-17-2008
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Posted by Kurt Ullman on July 18, 2008, 9:05 am


pisanochas@webtv.net (Charles Pisano) wrote:

> Before we knew of radon and had radon testing equipment, we had nothing.
> And people have lived a very long time in homes that had never been
> tested.
>

Up until the last couple of years, there were no studies of
residential radon exposures. ALL of the hooha was based on studies of
occupational exposures of miners and then relating those to residential
exposures (despite things like less air exchange in mines, etc.) The
other big area was relating levels of radon in an area with lung
cancers. The key is big areas and there was no look at individual
exposures.
Finally, I note that radon websites call it the second leading
cause of lung cancer. Meanwhile second-hand smoke websites call it the
second-leading cause of lung cancer.

Posted by Caesar Romano on July 18, 2008, 7:13 am


On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:06:40 -0400, "john"

>I've also heard that the only governmental radon / lung cancer studies that
>have EVER been done have been with Miners. People that work thousands of
>feet underground... of course their going to have problems. Theres never
>been any household radon / lung cancer studies done... EVER.

This is correct. Do you know why they have never done household radon
cancer studies? Because if they did the studies they would not find
any cancers. Now THAT would be a big problem because....

> Sometimes I
>think its a whole corrupt government thing. Maybe the Real studies
>indicated that anything under 10 pcI is completely safe. But if they
>officially say it has to be under 4 pcI....when then they make a whole lot
>more money that way. A whole lot more houses end up above the legal
>limits.

Right. You got it.

There is now a money vested interest in keeping people afraid of
radon.


Posted by Kurt Ullman on July 18, 2008, 9:14 am



> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:06:40 -0400, "john"
>
> >I've also heard that the only governmental radon / lung cancer studies that
> >have EVER been done have been with Miners. People that work thousands of
> >feet underground... of course their going to have problems. Theres never
> >been any household radon / lung cancer studies done... EVER.
>
> This is correct. Do you know why they have never done household radon
> cancer studies? Because if they did the studies they would not find
> any cancers. Now THAT would be a big problem because....

There are some new studies coming out that seem to show household
radon may increase cancers. One is here.
http://radsci1.home.mchsi.com/irlcs.pdf

Posted by on July 18, 2008, 1:48 pm


wrote:
> warning....pretty long post
>
> I am so fed up with Radon right now I dont know what to do. =A0


I suggest you check with the local pros. What works well in one
area may not work so well in others. I suspect you are going to need
to remove the radon from under the floor. That generally means making
a few holes in the concrete and connecting them to pipes leading
outside. A fan is used to provide a negative pressure to pull it from
under the slab.

Posted by CL \"dnoyeB\" Gilbert on July 18, 2008, 2:25 pm


john wrote:

> warning....pretty long post
>
> I am so fed up with Radon right now I dont know what to do. I completely
> sealed every single crack with poleurothane chaulking. 6 mm plastic
> sheeting down , padding down , 1/2 think laminated wood flooring down...
> Wood trim sealed with chaulking on top and on bottom.
>
> http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i105/boczor/DSC00534.jpg ( a little
> blurry )
>
> I've never had any problems with wetness or dampness on that level.
>
> There is absolutely no way at all from the bottom that the radon can come
> through. So the only place it could be coming through is through the
> drywall via the extreme outer parts of the foundation area. And possibly
> from the buildup directly underneath the flooring where it cannot escape.
> So its possibly seeping through from underneath the flooring / underneath
> the woodtrim / towards the interior drywall. Thats my final conclusion.
>
> I still have the same levels as I had before all this work was done.
> Around 5 to 8 pcI . I monitor all the time and even have an accurate
> electronic one that monitors it every hour. I've never seen it ever go
> above 9pcI here...for years now I even occasionally send charcol packets
> for lab analysis that confirm that my electronic gauge is very accurate.
> Im almost at the point where I dont care anymore and im just going to live
> with it. Normal levels in Canada for the longest time used to be 20 pcI
> or
> under. They recently lowered the legal level to 5 pcI. Yet the u.s.
> level
> is 4 pcI . Is this going to change all the time ? I mean its not like I
> have 5000 pcI like some houses out there.
>
> I have a bi-level house. I cant have a mitigation system installed since
> I have no gravel underneath the foundation for the gas to breathe through.
> I
> heard this was common with bi-levels. My house was built in 1993. I also
> have radiant heating...another pain in the ass thing that the mitigation
> installers around here dont want to mess with... and plus with the wood
> flooring installed, the only place would be the garage to install the
> mitigation...and thats another problem since nobody knows if the garage is
> on a seperate slab of concrete then the main floor. The vaccum effect
> wouldnt work if its on another slab. Plus theres no gravel underneath.
>
> So I decided to take matters into my own hands today and dug underneath my
> foundation -
>
> http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i105/boczor/DSC00532.jpg
>
> It took me 2 hours to get around these boulders of rocks with a hand
> shovel.. (not seen in picture) The point I stopped at was right when the
> thunder storm moved in. But im pretty sure im under the foundation ?
> Any
> advice to do from here on out would be much appreciated. I left it like
> that for now. (dont worry the storm moved by quick...barely any rain)
> Maybe stick a pipe underneath there?....put the dirt back and see if the
> levels drop ? Why bother with a mitigation system for that section when
> I
> dont have gravel underneath ? Plus if I did have a gravel layer it would
> probably show up in that pic anyway right ?
>
> I feel exhaused with my efforts....and exhaused from the uncertainty from
> the 2 different mitigation estimate people i've been dealing with. Both
> people just didnt have a definate answer on what would work... And I hate
> crap like that when their like "well....we can drill one hole here...and
> see if that works....if that doesnt
> work....wellllllllllllllll...........we can drill another
> hole............and welllllll...........if that doesnt work............we
> can try something else..................and if that
> doesnt work.......... , etc, etc... by that time I had a brain tumor and
> told them to leave. I just want it to be fixed and done with, but that
> is
> not possible with radon. especially with my situation. Very
> aggravating.
>
> I've also heard that the only governmental radon / lung cancer studies
> that
> have EVER been done have been with Miners. People that work thousands of
> feet underground... of course their going to have problems. Theres never
> been any household radon / lung cancer studies done... EVER. Sometimes
> I
> think its a whole corrupt government thing. Maybe the Real studies
> indicated that anything under 10 pcI is completely safe. But if they
> officially say it has to be under 4 pcI....when then they make a whole lot
> more money that way. A whole lot more houses end up above the legal
> limits.
>
> Sorry for all my blabber, im mostly looking into any positive insight on
> what I can do with that hole I dug. (I sense sarcastic remarks incoming)
>
> Seriously, I appreciate any insight. I really dont know what to do
> anymore with this radon.

This has to be one of the longest trolls I have ever seen. Plus its got a
picture, ROFL.

Seriously, it only takes a rudimentary check to know that you can't seal
radon out of your house...


CL

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