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Fence post spacing question Ook 09-02-2006
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Posted by Al Bundy on September 2, 2006, 10:51 pm

> Ook wrote:
>> Tired of my fence questions yet? Be patient with me - I'm almost
>> there. I'll be fence expert by the time I'm done with this fence :)
>>
>> So, today's n00b fence building question has to do with post spacing.
>> I have a run that is 443" long. I'm thinking of spacing the posts
>> like this:
>> The left end is a corner post. The right end is a terminating post at
>> the wall of the house. Measuring from post center to post center:
>>
>> X--- 4.9' ---X--- 8' ---X--- 8' ---X--- 8' ---X--- 8' ---X
>>
>> OR
>>
>> X--- 7.4' ---X--- 7.4' ---X--- 7.4' ---X--- 7.4' ---X--- 7.4' ---X
>>
>> The 8' spacing has narrow spacing at the corner post, decreasing the
>> load on the corner post.
>>
>> I have another run that is 260, both ends are corner posts":
>>
>> X--- 7.2' ---X--- 7.2' ---X--- 7.2' ---X
>>
>> OR
>>
>> X--- 6.8' ---X--- 8' ---X--- 6.8 ---X
>>
>> Again - we either make them evenly spaced, or we shorten the runs at
>> the corner posts.
>>
>> And lastly - on a long run, about 100 feet, is there any reason not
>> to use 8' spacing? Is a long run susceptible to wind shear and
>> therefore should have shorter spacing? This run runs north-south, and
>> the prevailing wind is from the west, rarely over 10mph, gusts up to
>> 30mph rare.
>> I know, I know, it's up to me, do what I want, blah blah. What would
>> you do in the above scenarios?
>
> Assuming esthetics are not an issue: minimize the cutting.
>
> Wind shear will not be an issue.
>
> Helpful hints:
>
> 1. Consider placing a few pickets parallel to the ground, say 8-10-12
> inches worth. When they rot out, it's easier to replace a board or two
> than re-construct that section of the fence.
>
> 2. Use 2.5" deck screws (stainless or anodized) instead of nails.
> You'll need a house-current drill with a Phillips bit and a long
> extension cord. Cordless drills just don't have the oomph or staying
> power. Get an attachement/sleeve gizmo that guides the screw in
> straight. Screwing is faster than nailing.
>
> 3. Buy an excess of pickets, say 10%. Stack them in your garage for an
> extended period* in a fashion such that they get ample air-flow.
> You're trying to get them as dry as possible before erecting them. If
> not "dry as a board" when installed, they will SHRINK and you'll end
> up with 1/8 - 3/8" gaps between the pickets, which not only looks
> tacky but allows your neighbors to peek in and watch your female
> family members sunbathing in the buff. Alternatively, you can watch
> your neighbor...
>
> As you use your dried pickets, set aside the ones that warped or
> curled during storage. Return these for credit. Yes, the box stores
> will take them back.
>
> (*Extended period = the longer the better. Two months should be ample,
> but anything is better than "from Home Depot to the post.")
>
> 4. Take pictures as you go. Keep a little diary. Report back.
>
>


> Cordless drills just don't have the oomph or staying
> power.

Somewhat disagree with this. A higher quality 18v corless has plenty of
oomph. Can easily set the head of a 2 1/2 inch drywall screw into double
2x4's even too far down if the clutch is maxed. Can put the head of a
screw through the plywood you are screwing down. Talking about Rigid,
Milwaukee, Dewalts.

Staying power - no, can't beat electric or air for continuous work.

Real Goods Solar, Inc.
Posted by on September 2, 2006, 10:23 pm
Ook <Ook Don't send me any freakin' spam at zootal dot com delete the Don't send
me any freakin' spam> wrote:
>Tired of my fence questions yet? Be patient with me - I'm almost there.
>I'll be fence expert by the time I'm done with this fence :)
>
>So, today's n00b fence building question has to do with post spacing. I have
>a run that is 443" long. I'm thinking of spacing the posts like this:
>
>The left end is a corner post. The right end is a terminating post at the
>wall of the house. Measuring from post center to post center:
>
>X--- 4.9' ---X--- 8' ---X--- 8' ---X--- 8' ---X--- 8' ---X
>
>OR
>
>X--- 7.4' ---X--- 7.4' ---X--- 7.4' ---X--- 7.4' ---X--- 7.4' ---X
>
<...snipped...>

Use 8' spacing wherever possible. It is standard for pre-made fence
sections. The oddball spacing is OK for a short run where you are
cutting your own stringers and nailing up individual pickets, but for
off-the-shelf fence sections you'd want the posts on 8' centers or
you'd be cutting every section to fit.




--

Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
lwasserm@charm.net


Posted by BobK207 on September 3, 2006, 1:25 am

Ook wrote:
> Tired of my fence questions yet? Be patient with me - I'm almost there.
> I'll be fence expert by the time I'm done with this fence :)
>
> So, today's n00b fence building question has to do with post spacing. I have
> a run that is 443" long. I'm thinking of spacing the posts like this:
>
> The left end is a corner post. The right end is a terminating post at the
> wall of the house. Measuring from post center to post center:
>
> X--- 4.9' ---X--- 8' ---X--- 8' ---X--- 8' ---X--- 8' ---X
>
> OR
>
> X--- 7.4' ---X--- 7.4' ---X--- 7.4' ---X--- 7.4' ---X--- 7.4' ---X
>
> The 8' spacing has narrow spacing at the corner post, decreasing the load on
> the corner post.
>
> I have another run that is 260, both ends are corner posts":
>
> X--- 7.2' ---X--- 7.2' ---X--- 7.2' ---X
>
> OR
>
> X--- 6.8' ---X--- 8' ---X--- 6.8 ---X
>
> Again - we either make them evenly spaced, or we shorten the runs at the
> corner posts.
>
> And lastly - on a long run, about 100 feet, is there any reason not to use
> 8' spacing? Is a long run susceptible to wind shear and therefore should
> have shorter spacing? This run runs north-south, and the prevailing wind is
> from the west, rarely over 10mph, gusts up to 30mph rare.
>
> I know, I know, it's up to me, do what I want, blah blah. What would you do
> in the above scenarios?


we never get tired of questions...we might get tired of typing answers
:)

If you're going with pre-fab sections stick with 8' spacing, If you're
building your own design I'd go custom spacing.

Your 443" & 260" sections (are those the only ones you have?) both
work out nearly the same 5 sections of 88.6" & 3 sections of 86.7" .
Yeah you got some waste but you're talking about 8 extra cuts and 4
extra cuts.....we spent more than that much time typing & reading.

But on the other hand if the framing isn't visible from the street &
you don't mind the short section visible from the yard.....go with 8 ft
sections & one short section

There are tons of ways to desigh a fence.

If you're looking for out of plane stability......see if you can work a
"double top plate" or "continuous" top member of some sort into your
design, Having the top member "cut" a each post gives squat for
moment resistance, you wind of having a bunch of more or less
independent sections.

I beefed up a dying fence with an added top members. I added 7 8ft
2x4's, put the butt joints at the midpoint between fence posts. Took
an hour or so puuting deck screws. I was able to put off replacing the
fence for years...each adjacent section was able to lend support to
others where the posts were nearly rotted off......worked great, gave
the tremites new wood to eat (at least until my neighbor accidently
set fire to about 30 ft of it)

cheers
Bob


Posted by on September 3, 2006, 3:42 am
Ook <Ook Don't send me any freakin' spam at zootal dot com delete the Don't send
me any freakin' spam> wrote:
>Tired of my fence questions yet? Be patient with me - I'm almost there.
>I'll be fence expert by the time I'm done with this fence :)
>
>So, today's n00b fence building question has to do with post spacing. I have
>a run that is 443" long. I'm thinking of spacing the posts like this:
>
>The left end is a corner post. The right end is a terminating post at the
>wall of the house. Measuring from post center to post center:
>
>X--- 4.9' ---X--- 8' ---X--- 8' ---X--- 8' ---X--- 8' ---X
>
>OR
>
>X--- 7.4' ---X--- 7.4' ---X--- 7.4' ---X--- 7.4' ---X--- 7.4' ---X
>
>The 8' spacing has narrow spacing at the corner post, decreasing the load on
>the corner post.
>
>I have another run that is 260, both ends are corner posts":
>
>X--- 7.2' ---X--- 7.2' ---X--- 7.2' ---X
>
>OR
>
>X--- 6.8' ---X--- 8' ---X--- 6.8 ---X
>
>Again - we either make them evenly spaced, or we shorten the runs at the
>corner posts.
>
>And lastly - on a long run, about 100 feet, is there any reason not to use
>8' spacing? Is a long run susceptible to wind shear and therefore should
>have shorter spacing? This run runs north-south, and the prevailing wind is
>from the west, rarely over 10mph, gusts up to 30mph rare.
>
>I know, I know, it's up to me, do what I want, blah blah. What would you do
>in the above scenarios?

Use T-posts on 20' centers with high-tensioned welded wire mesh.

Nick


Posted by Ook on September 3, 2006, 1:09 pm
>
> Use T-posts on 20' centers with high-tensioned welded wire mesh.
>

Can you electrify it? :-)



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