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Finding a Break in an "Invisible Fence" Wire frank1492 05-01-2007
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Posted by Doug Miller on May 2, 2007, 8:42 am


>A friend has an invisible fence for her dog. The wire was apparently
>severed by someone turning over soil in a rather large area adjacent
>to her property.
> She claims to have used a portable radio to find the break in this
>system before, but she can't remember whether she was using the AM
>or the FM band.

AM, tuned to a staticky place between stations.

> In any event, this time she has tried a different
>radio (the other one is broken) with no success.

I've observed that some radios work better for this than others. We have one
radio that's just dandy for locating breaks, and another one that isn't worth
a hoot. Don't know why.

Fresh batteries make the job a lot easier.

> My question is: Can one use a radio to find a break like this? And
>if so, how is it done?

Yes. Tune an AM radio between stations, and move it side-to-side across the
suspected path of the wire, just above the ground. It's best to start in a
spot where you *know* the exact location of the wire -- like where it crosses
a driveway, or a sidewalk, where you can see the saw cut that the installer
made in the concrete or asphalt. Wave the radio back and forth until you hear
a definite change in the pattern of the static -- that's what you're searching
for. Then start walking along the path of the wire, continuing to wave the
radio back and forth.

Sooner or later, you'll come to a spot where the signal fades, and eventually
disappears completely. Mark that spot.

Now go back to where you started, and in the same manner, follow the wire
around the yard in the opposite direction. Again, you'll come to a place where
the signal fades, and eventually disappears completely. Mark that spot, too.

The break is approximately half-way between the marks.

> If not, is there an inexpensive device that
>could be used to do it? (She doesn't want to spring for a metal
>detector.)

Well, metal detectors aren't all *that* expensive... but the radio works just
fine.

> I really don't need more info, but would like to know a little more
>about how invisible fences work. I would assume the wire simply
>acts like a transmitting antenna.

Yep, that's all it is.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Posted by frank1492 on May 2, 2007, 1:06 pm


Thanks so much Doug! Will relay this info to her.
One quick comment: The Petsafe guy told her she
would need an analog rather than a digital radio. I would
assume that would cover most of the cheapo AM's, no?
Thanks again!
Frank



On Wed, 02 May 2007 12:42:45 GMT, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:

>>A friend has an invisible fence for her dog. The wire was apparently
>>severed by someone turning over soil in a rather large area adjacent
>>to her property.
>> She claims to have used a portable radio to find the break in this
>>system before, but she can't remember whether she was using the AM
>>or the FM band.
>
>AM, tuned to a staticky place between stations.
>
>> In any event, this time she has tried a different
>>radio (the other one is broken) with no success.
>
>I've observed that some radios work better for this than others. We have one
>radio that's just dandy for locating breaks, and another one that isn't worth
>a hoot. Don't know why.
>
>Fresh batteries make the job a lot easier.
>
>> My question is: Can one use a radio to find a break like this? And
>>if so, how is it done?
>
>Yes. Tune an AM radio between stations, and move it side-to-side across the
>suspected path of the wire, just above the ground. It's best to start in a
>spot where you *know* the exact location of the wire -- like where it crosses
>a driveway, or a sidewalk, where you can see the saw cut that the installer
>made in the concrete or asphalt. Wave the radio back and forth until you hear
>a definite change in the pattern of the static -- that's what you're searching
>for. Then start walking along the path of the wire, continuing to wave the
>radio back and forth.
>
>Sooner or later, you'll come to a spot where the signal fades, and eventually
>disappears completely. Mark that spot.
>
>Now go back to where you started, and in the same manner, follow the wire
>around the yard in the opposite direction. Again, you'll come to a place where
>the signal fades, and eventually disappears completely. Mark that spot, too.
>
>The break is approximately half-way between the marks.
>
>> If not, is there an inexpensive device that
>>could be used to do it? (She doesn't want to spring for a metal
>>detector.)
>
>Well, metal detectors aren't all *that* expensive... but the radio works just
>fine.
>
>> I really don't need more info, but would like to know a little more
>>about how invisible fences work. I would assume the wire simply
>>acts like a transmitting antenna.
>
>Yep, that's all it is.


Posted by Pop` on May 2, 2007, 2:06 pm


frank1492 wrote:
> Thanks so much Doug! Will relay this info to her.
> One quick comment: The Petsafe guy told her she
> would need an analog rather than a digital radio. I would
> assume that would cover most of the cheapo AM's, no?
> Thanks again!
> Frank
>
>
>
> On Wed, 02 May 2007 12:42:45 GMT, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
> wrote:
>
>>> A friend has an invisible fence for her dog. The wire was apparently
>>> severed by someone turning over soil in a rather large area adjacent
>>> to her property.
>>> She claims to have used a portable radio to find the break in
>>> this system before, but she can't remember whether she was using
>>> the AM
>>> or the FM band.
>>
>> AM, tuned to a staticky place between stations.
>>
>>> In any event, this time she has tried a different
>>> radio (the other one is broken) with no success.
>>
>> I've observed that some radios work better for this than others. We
>> have one
>> radio that's just dandy for locating breaks, and another one that
>> isn't worth
>> a hoot. Don't know why.
>>
>> Fresh batteries make the job a lot easier.
>>
>>> My question is: Can one use a radio to find a break like this?
>>> And if so, how is it done?
>>
>> Yes. Tune an AM radio between stations, and move it side-to-side
>> across the
>> suspected path of the wire, just above the ground. It's best to
>> start in a
>> spot where you *know* the exact location of the wire -- like where
>> it crosses
>> a driveway, or a sidewalk, where you can see the saw cut that the
>> installer
>> made in the concrete or asphalt. Wave the radio back and forth until
>> you hear
>> a definite change in the pattern of the static -- that's what you're
>> searching
>> for. Then start walking along the path of the wire, continuing to
>> wave the
>> radio back and forth.
>>
>> Sooner or later, you'll come to a spot where the signal fades, and
>> eventually
>> disappears completely. Mark that spot.
>>
>> Now go back to where you started, and in the same manner, follow the
>> wire
>> around the yard in the opposite direction. Again, you'll come to a
>> place where
>> the signal fades, and eventually disappears completely. Mark that
>> spot, too.
>>
>> The break is approximately half-way between the marks.
>>
>>> If not, is there an inexpensive device that
>>> could be used to do it? (She doesn't want to spring for a metal
>>> detector.)
>>
>> Well, metal detectors aren't all *that* expensive... but the radio
>> works just
>> fine.
>>
>>> I really don't need more info, but would like to know a little
>>> more about how invisible fences work. I would assume the wire simply
>>> acts like a transmitting antenna.
>>
>> Yep, that's all it is.

Right. Actually, the best radio you could use is one of the cheaper ones,
cheaper the better. Or the oldest radio you might have in the house would
likely be sure to not be digital.

Since IIRC this was a dug up garden, there could be a lot more than just one
break in the wire, too. That would account for the "stop" areas mentioned
being really far apart, as in not quite to the garden edges yet. Especially
if a tiller was used. Those wires were probably only buried about 4 inches
deep, so chances of a tiller making spaghetti our of it are good.

If you have to make splices underground, be sure they're watertight. I find
that GE Silicone II works well in a cocoon around the splice.

HTH
Pop`



Posted by Oren on May 2, 2007, 5:21 pm


wrote:

>frank1492 wrote:
>> Thanks so much Doug! Will relay this info to her.
>> One quick comment: The Petsafe guy told her she
>> would need an analog rather than a digital radio. I would
>> assume that would cover most of the cheapo AM's, no?
>> Thanks again!
>> Frank
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 02 May 2007 12:42:45 GMT, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> A friend has an invisible fence for her dog. The wire was apparently
>>>> severed by someone turning over soil in a rather large area adjacent
>>>> to her property.
>>>> She claims to have used a portable radio to find the break in
>>>> this system before, but she can't remember whether she was using
>>>> the AM
>>>> or the FM band.
>>>
>>> AM, tuned to a staticky place between stations.
>>>
>>>> In any event, this time she has tried a different
>>>> radio (the other one is broken) with no success.
>>>
>>> I've observed that some radios work better for this than others. We
>>> have one
>>> radio that's just dandy for locating breaks, and another one that
>>> isn't worth
>>> a hoot. Don't know why.
>>>
>>> Fresh batteries make the job a lot easier.
>>>
>>>> My question is: Can one use a radio to find a break like this?
>>>> And if so, how is it done?
>>>
>>> Yes. Tune an AM radio between stations, and move it side-to-side
>>> across the
>>> suspected path of the wire, just above the ground. It's best to
>>> start in a
>>> spot where you *know* the exact location of the wire -- like where
>>> it crosses
>>> a driveway, or a sidewalk, where you can see the saw cut that the
>>> installer
>>> made in the concrete or asphalt. Wave the radio back and forth until
>>> you hear
>>> a definite change in the pattern of the static -- that's what you're
>>> searching
>>> for. Then start walking along the path of the wire, continuing to
>>> wave the
>>> radio back and forth.
>>>
>>> Sooner or later, you'll come to a spot where the signal fades, and
>>> eventually
>>> disappears completely. Mark that spot.
>>>
>>> Now go back to where you started, and in the same manner, follow the
>>> wire
>>> around the yard in the opposite direction. Again, you'll come to a
>>> place where
>>> the signal fades, and eventually disappears completely. Mark that
>>> spot, too.
>>>
>>> The break is approximately half-way between the marks.
>>>
>>>> If not, is there an inexpensive device that
>>>> could be used to do it? (She doesn't want to spring for a metal
>>>> detector.)
>>>
>>> Well, metal detectors aren't all *that* expensive... but the radio
>>> works just
>>> fine.
>>>
>>>> I really don't need more info, but would like to know a little
>>>> more about how invisible fences work. I would assume the wire simply
>>>> acts like a transmitting antenna.
>>>
>>> Yep, that's all it is.
>
>Right. Actually, the best radio you could use is one of the cheaper ones,
>cheaper the better. Or the oldest radio you might have in the house would
>likely be sure to not be digital.

Transistor, circa '60s? Radio Shack may have a kit to build an AM
radio.

>If you have to make splices underground, be sure they're watertight. I find
>that GE Silicone II works well in a cocoon around the splice.

I like that shrink wrap stuff when you heat it..(auto store)

--
Oren

"I don't have anything against work. I just figure, why deprive somebody who
really loves it."

Posted by Doug Miller on May 2, 2007, 3:54 pm


>Thanks so much Doug! Will relay this info to her.
> One quick comment: The Petsafe guy told her she
>would need an analog rather than a digital radio. I would
>assume that would cover most of the cheapo AM's, no?
> Thanks again!
> Frank

I should think so, yeah -- or anything made more than, say, five years ago.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

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