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Foam vs Batt insulation when MOLD present don't quote me, but...... 06-14-2006
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Posted by don't quote me, but...... on June 14, 2006, 8:39 pm
Due to (black) water contamination, and ensuing environmental
conditions, my house developed an extensive problem of toxic mold
growth. We finally gutted the place - tore out all the flooring,
interior wall coverings, even the insulation - right down to the stud
walls, to give the mold nothing else to grow on. It goes without
saying that the house has had multiple professional applications of
fungicides and mildewcides, etc., to kill the stuff. We have done
everything possible, to kill the beast, and it seems to finally be
gone. Now I need to install insulation before moving on to restoring
walls, ceilings, etc. Money is a big consideration at this point, as I
ran out of insurance ALE's almost a year ago, and have been paying for
everything from my meagre savings. So, I am now very cost-conscious.
The up-front cost of sprayed on, expanding foams such as Icynene are
more than double that of fiberglass. However, the foam fills all gaps
and cracks, and it claims to be mold inhibiting. Considering the
battle I've had with mold, it might be worth the extra cost. Has
anybody had actual experience with:

1) the insulating effectiveness of foam compared to fiberglass
2) the soundproofing effectiveness of foam (I've been told that
increasing from 3 to 5 inches depth of foam between floors will greatly
dampen sound, transmission. That is a BIG plus, as I have a "music"
loving teenage boy whose band likes to practice at our house!)
3) whether foam really does inhibit the re-growth of mold
4) does today's foam insulation break down like the old stuff, or
remain its integrity?

Thanks very much!

Liz


Posted by Art on June 14, 2006, 10:16 pm
I cannot answer that question but please make sure all windows and doors are
properly flashed and if you have any masonry check www.bia.org to see how
flashing is used there. Pella has some downloadable instructions to show
how to flash their windows and doors and they are helpful even of you don't
buy their stuff. Keeping water out of your house should be your first
concern.

One point on foam. If it is a new product, I would not touch it. Let other
people try it. Fiberglass works fine if you keep it dry.



Posted by Goedjn on June 15, 2006, 12:07 pm
On 14 Jun 2006 17:39:49 -0700, "don't quote me, but......"

>Due to (black) water contamination, and ensuing environmental
>conditions, my house developed an extensive problem of toxic mold
>growth. We finally gutted the place - tore out all the flooring,
>interior wall coverings, even the insulation - right down to the stud
>walls, to give the mold nothing else to grow on. It goes without
>saying that the house has had multiple professional applications of
>fungicides and mildewcides, etc., to kill the stuff. We have done
>everything possible, to kill the beast, and it seems to finally be
>gone. Now I need to install insulation before moving on to restoring
>walls, ceilings, etc. Money is a big consideration at this point, as I
>ran out of insurance ALE's almost a year ago, and have been paying for
>everything from my meagre savings. So, I am now very cost-conscious.
>The up-front cost of sprayed on, expanding foams such as Icynene are
>more than double that of fiberglass. However, the foam fills all gaps
>and cracks, and it claims to be mold inhibiting. Considering the
>battle I've had with mold, it might be worth the extra cost. Has
>anybody had actual experience with:
>
>1) the insulating effectiveness of foam compared to fiberglass
>2) the soundproofing effectiveness of foam (I've been told that
>increasing from 3 to 5 inches depth of foam between floors will greatly
>dampen sound, transmission. That is a BIG plus, as I have a "music"
>loving teenage boy whose band likes to practice at our house!)
>3) whether foam really does inhibit the re-growth of mold
>4) does today's foam insulation break down like the old stuff, or
>remain its integrity?
>
>Thanks very much!
>
>Liz

This is not a good time for cost-driven decision making.
Foam is more expensive, but it's in almost all ways a
better insulation. I suspect that it's mold-inhibiting
properties have more to do with limited air and water
movement and not giving the mold a place to start, rather
than any real mildicide, but the treatment you already
put in should be adequate, anyway, as long as you control
the water in the future.

Exposed foam is a serious fire hazard though, so once
you get it up, get the wall coverings on over it as
soon as possible.

Posted by Edwin Pawlowski on June 15, 2006, 3:38 pm

> Exposed foam is a serious fire hazard though, so once
> you get it up, get the wall coverings on over it as
> soon as possible.

Not really. The foam will have fame retardants in it. It will burn as long
as something else supports the fire, but construction foams, by law, must be
of the flame retardant type. The code does require it be covered though,
but there is no reason to panic.



Posted by Goedjn on June 16, 2006, 3:18 pm
wrote:

>
>> Exposed foam is a serious fire hazard though, so once
>> you get it up, get the wall coverings on over it as
>> soon as possible.
>
>Not really. The foam will have fame retardants in it. It will burn as long
>as something else supports the fire, but construction foams, by law, must be
>of the flame retardant type. The code does require it be covered though,
>but there is no reason to panic.
>

The problem isn't so much how well it burns (although even
fire retardant foam burns a hell of a lot better than an
equal volume of wood)
but that it produced toxins that will incapacitate/kill
you MUCH faster when it does burn.


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