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Freeze protect TH 09-29-2006
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Posted by TH on September 29, 2006, 9:07 am
I am looking for a not electric space heater that will keep the cellar of
our vacation home above freezing during periods of -20 degrees f.. Upstate
NY. We normally leave the oil fired central heating system (hot air) on and
set to 58 degrees for the winter. And that is fine. We are away from the
home for periods of up to 6 weeks at a time. Power failures and furnace
mis-firings (one in the past three years, had a neighbor press the reset-
service tech could not find an issue) make me somewhat worried about the
home. While I drain the plumbing each time we leave during the winter, I am
not comfortable letting the structure itself go below freezing in the event
of a power or furnace failure. Power has been out for up to two weeks in the
past. (A 100 year storm but those are coming a bit more often now) . If the
basement is kept 55 degrees or so, I think that the rest of the well
insulated home should not suffer a hard freeze.
Propane is available and delivered on a regular basis.



Posted by dpb on September 29, 2006, 10:22 am

TH wrote:
> I am looking for a not electric space heater that will keep the cellar of
> our vacation home above freezing during periods of -20 degrees f.. Upstate
> NY. We normally leave the oil fired central heating system (hot air) on and
> set to 58 degrees for the winter. And that is fine. We are away from the
> home for periods of up to 6 weeks at a time. Power failures and furnace
> mis-firings (one in the past three years, had a neighbor press the reset-
> service tech could not find an issue) make me somewhat worried about the
> home. While I drain the plumbing each time we leave during the winter, I am
> not comfortable letting the structure itself go below freezing in the event
> of a power or furnace failure. Power has been out for up to two weeks in the
> past. (A 100 year storm but those are coming a bit more often now) . If the
> basement is kept 55 degrees or so, I think that the rest of the well
> insulated home should not suffer a hard freeze.
> Propane is available and delivered on a regular basis.

How large and is the cellar finished and how? There are many
propane-fueled heaters that could be used, but have no clue as to how
much one might need based on such limited information.

Personally, if there is no water to freeze I see no problem. If the
house is heated anyway it seems quite unlikely to have an interior
space get below maybe 20F even during a cold snap. Unless there is
actually something being stored there that would actually be harmed,
the temperature change in the structure itself would be of no harm.


Posted by on September 29, 2006, 9:40 pm
I also think you are wasting money heating the space. Just drain the
water.


Posted by Doug on October 1, 2006, 5:11 am

>I am looking for a not electric space heater that will keep the cellar of
>our vacation home above freezing during periods of -20 degrees f.. Upstate
>NY. We normally leave the oil fired central heating system (hot air) on and
>set to 58 degrees for the winter. And that is fine. We are away from the
>home for periods of up to 6 weeks at a time. Power failures and furnace
>mis-firings (one in the past three years, had a neighbor press the reset-
>service tech could not find an issue) make me somewhat worried about the
>home. While I drain the plumbing each time we leave during the winter, I am
>not comfortable letting the structure itself go below freezing in the event
>of a power or furnace failure. Power has been out for up to two weeks in the
>past. (A 100 year storm but those are coming a bit more often now) . If the
>basement is kept 55 degrees or so, I think that the rest of the well
>insulated home should not suffer a hard freeze.
>Propane is available and delivered on a regular basis.

Unlike some other posters, I agree with you about keeping heat in
homes here in the Northeast. Winters tend to be very cold and damp.
I've seen freeze/thaw cycles crack plaster walls, pop wooden trim
loose, strip paint off of walls in huge sheets, cause moisture
buildup later leading to mildew, etc.

I'd use one of the small non-venting propane gas heaters available
from the big box stores for less than $300.
They meet code in all respects except for use in a confined bedroom.
They range in output from 18,000 to about 35,000 BTU/hr.
One placed in the basement should be fine.
They have a spark igniter and an expansion bulb thermostat thus
needing no electrical power to operate.

Doug


>

Posted by dpb on October 3, 2006, 2:35 pm



Doug wrote:
>
> >I am looking for a not electric space heater that will keep the cellar of
> >our vacation home above freezing during periods of -20 degrees f.. Upstate
> >NY. We normally leave the oil fired central heating system (hot air) on ...
...
> Unlike some other posters, I agree with you about keeping heat in
> homes here in the Northeast. ...

But, that was precisely the point, Doug--the home _IS_ heated and what
was proposed was to _ADDITIONALLY_ heat a cellar with no indication of
even being finished living space or anything stored there that
would/could be damaged. Being called a cellar, I would presume that it
is also below grade which will also tend to mitigate extreme
temperature fluctuations. Without know a lot more, I stand by
recommendation that it seems an unnecessary expense.


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