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Frozen well pump - help! FragileWarrior 02-04-2007
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Posted by FragileWarrior on February 4, 2007, 7:13 pm



> On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:48:31 +0000 (UTC), FragileWarrior
>
>>
>>> On Feb 4, 5:33 am, FragileWarrior
>>>> Bear with me here, I might have some of the terminology wrong:
>>>>
>>>> I water my horses from an outside well that's powered by an
>>>> electric pump down in the well. The "pump" that's frozen is the
>>>> pump unit that's at ground level, not the electric one down in the
>>>> well. At least I HOPE it's not the one down in the well...
>>>>
>>>> Normally, when using the water, I hook up the hose to the ground
>>>> level "pump" (I don't know what else to call this part), lift the
>>>> handle up and then flip the switch to start the electric pump and
>>>> pump the water. After I'm done filling the troughs, I put the
>>>> "pump" handle down and shut off the electric.
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday, there was an ice block in the hose so I shut off the
>>>> electric, detached the hose BUT I FORGOT TO PUT THE PUMP HANDLE
>>>> DOWN.
>>>> An hour later, when I got back with the thawed hose, everything at
>>>> the "pump" was frozen solid. The handle is frozen in the up
>>>> position and won't budge. No water will come out when the electric
>>>> pump is on.
>>>>
>>>> I did try to thaw the ground level pump with a small propane torch
>>>> for almost an 45 minutes. I thought the only block must be in the
>>>> top of the ground level pump since no water would have been pushing
>>>> upward from the well without the electric running, right? But I
>>>> had no luck. It did cross my mind that parts that weren't
>>>> receiving direct heat were refreezing faster than I could keep them
>>>> thawed. What do I need to do to thaw this out? We're due to be in
>>>> a deep freeze here for another week at least. Do I need to call in
>>>> professional help? Who do I call? A plumber?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any help and suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> Giselle (obviously a city girl gone bad)
>>>
>>> You apparently have a submersible pump with a ground level
>>> antifreeze spigot, Which drains when you put the handle down, which
>>> you forgotand therefor it froze. You need to just thraw the pipes
>>> out in however manner you can. An electric heater wire made for
>>> just such , might do the trick. But just thaw it out and then
>>> remember to drain that spigot each time you use it, DO YOU HEAR????
>>> Jack
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>If I *EVER* forget to put that handle down again someone should just
>>take me out and shoot me because my brain has obviously seen better
>>days and has turned completely to mush.
>>
>>Here's the latest: I schlepped into town (30 miles round trip) and
>>got two heat lamps. I set up the tent, plugged them in and one didn't
>>work. (I must have broken a mirror recently or something...) I could
>>tell pretty quick that this set-up wasn't going to do much --
>>especially with one lamp -- so when I schlepped back to town, I bought
>>heat tape. I put that on -- six foot of it, spiral around the pipe
>>but not touching itself -- and covered it with two huge pieces of R30
>>insulation. I taped it the best I could (the tape is freezing and not
>>sticking) and then I jammed a plastic garbage can down over the whole
>>set up. I figure I will leave it until tomorrow without undoing it.
>>
>>Thanks to everyone who is replying and trying to suggest ways to help.
>> Strength-wise, I don't have what it takes to remove spigots/piping or
>>other heavy-duty stuff. Until this thaws out, I'll be running out
>>with buckets of water every hour.
>>
>>Thanks everyone.
>
> Be prepared to blast a torch at the soil at the base of the hydrant
> after the top thaws. (Remove heat tape first). Its likely frozen
> under the soil, If you can, take a turkey baster and make a thick
> paste of table salt and water. See if you can inject that into the
> part where the hose connects.
>
> By the way, what state are you in? This midwest cold spell is horrid.
>
>

Central Indiana, and, yes, doesn't it figure that THIS is the first time
I made this mistake??

I'll try the saline injection tomorrow if the heat
tape/insulation/garbage can-shed didn't work.

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Posted by mm on February 7, 2007, 2:01 am


On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 00:13:30 +0000 (UTC), FragileWarrior

>
>Central Indiana, and, yes, doesn't it figure that THIS is the first time
>I made this mistake??

Didn't you make the mistake precisely because the pipe was frozen and
there was no water coming out? If there had been water coming out,
you would have turned it off.

This is a variation on those where there is a water main break and
they turn their faucet on and when no water comes out, they don't
close it again. Then when the water is repaired, the water comes out
full blast, and overflows the sink etc.

I think most people** do this until they have some bad experience,
although often that is a very small one.

**Any mistake one has made, he is likely to attribute to "most
people".
>I'll try the saline injection tomorrow if the heat
>tape/insulation/garbage can-shed didn't work.


Posted by FragileWarrior on February 4, 2007, 7:14 pm


Oh, btw, my draft horse thinks it is REALLY COOL that I'm running out there
with 5 gallon buckets of water for him every couple of hours. Apparently
he figures it is his duty to drink it all upon delivery.

If I didn't love him to death, I'd shoot him. :)

Posted by Gerry Atrick on February 4, 2007, 10:30 am


I forgot to mention. When you thaw it with torches, always start at
the top so the water can boil out. Then work down.


On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:33:35 +0000 (UTC), FragileWarrior

>Bear with me here, I might have some of the terminology wrong:
>
>I water my horses from an outside well that's powered by an electric pump
>down in the well. The "pump" that's frozen is the pump unit that's at
>ground level, not the electric one down in the well. At least I HOPE it's
>not the one down in the well...
>
>Normally, when using the water, I hook up the hose to the ground level
>"pump" (I don't know what else to call this part), lift the handle up and
>then flip the switch to start the electric pump and pump the water.
>After I'm done filling the troughs, I put the "pump" handle down and shut
>off the electric.
>
>Yesterday, there was an ice block in the hose so I shut off the electric,
>detached the hose BUT I FORGOT TO PUT THE PUMP HANDLE DOWN. An hour
>later, when I got back with the thawed hose, everything at the "pump" was
>frozen solid. The handle is frozen in the up position and won't budge.
>No water will come out when the electric pump is on.
>
>I did try to thaw the ground level pump with a small propane torch for
>almost an 45 minutes. I thought the only block must be in the top of the
>ground level pump since no water would have been pushing upward from the
>well without the electric running, right? But I had no luck. It did
>cross my mind that parts that weren't receiving direct heat were
>refreezing faster than I could keep them thawed. What do I need to do to
>thaw this out? We're due to be in a deep freeze here for another week at
>least. Do I need to call in professional help? Who do I call? A
>plumber?
>
>Thanks for any help and suggestions.
>
>Giselle (obviously a city girl gone bad)


Posted by Art Todesco on February 4, 2007, 5:02 pm


Read the whole litany of replies to your
troubles. I like your idea of using
a tarp over a few saw horses, but a
different heat source. How about a
torpedo heater blowing its warmth into
the tent. These things put out tons
of heat. And, you could probably rent
one at a rental place (I know, 30
miles away) if you don't have one or
can't borrow one. I just used one
in a garage where we were repairing the
door opener. It was about 30
degrees outside .... not as cold at it
is today in the mid west. But, after
about an hour or so, we had to turn off
the heater and remove our jackets.
BTW, it was a 50K BTU unit.

FragileWarrior wrote:
> Bear with me here, I might have some of the terminology wrong:
>
> I water my horses from an outside well that's powered by an electric pump
> down in the well. The "pump" that's frozen is the pump unit that's at
> ground level, not the electric one down in the well. At least I HOPE it's
> not the one down in the well...
>
> Normally, when using the water, I hook up the hose to the ground level
> "pump" (I don't know what else to call this part), lift the handle up and
> then flip the switch to start the electric pump and pump the water.
> After I'm done filling the troughs, I put the "pump" handle down and shut
> off the electric.
>
> Yesterday, there was an ice block in the hose so I shut off the electric,
> detached the hose BUT I FORGOT TO PUT THE PUMP HANDLE DOWN. An hour
> later, when I got back with the thawed hose, everything at the "pump" was
> frozen solid. The handle is frozen in the up position and won't budge.
> No water will come out when the electric pump is on.
>
> I did try to thaw the ground level pump with a small propane torch for
> almost an 45 minutes. I thought the only block must be in the top of the
> ground level pump since no water would have been pushing upward from the
> well without the electric running, right? But I had no luck. It did
> cross my mind that parts that weren't receiving direct heat were
> refreezing faster than I could keep them thawed. What do I need to do to
> thaw this out? We're due to be in a deep freeze here for another week at
> least. Do I need to call in professional help? Who do I call? A
> plumber?
>
> Thanks for any help and suggestions.
>
> Giselle (obviously a city girl gone bad)

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