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Posted by teabird on November 2, 2009, 7:18 am
> > AZ Nomad wrote:
> > > On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:24:53 -0500, Lee B <not_my_real_a...@yahoo.com=
> wrote:
> > >> (I'm clueless about electricity... actually it sort of scares me, so
> > >> this is all Greek to me).
> > >> Question - I'm in the process of selling an older(1950's) home. The =
home
> > >> inspection was Friday, and I got the buyers' laundry list Saturday
> > >> afternoon. One of the things they are asking for is GFCI's to be
> > >> installed in the bathrooms. (This is in Baltimore County, if that ma=
kes
> > > Damn, you're a cheapskate.
> > You haven't seen the rest of the laundry list...
> > Seriously when I posted the question, I had no idea if having a GFIC
> > installed was a big deal or not. A relative had just told me that since
> > it was a two hole plug, the electrician would have to run additional
> > wiring from the basement that could cost thousands. If it really is as
> > seemingly straightforward as it's been made to sound, I don't mind
> > paying for that.
> > What amazes me is that this is the second home inspection in the last
> > year, after the prev sale fell through. And both inspectors found
> > entirely different things to complain about. The first one never
> > mentioned GFCIs, but came up with things like the length of some exhaus=
t
> > pipe on the water heater. This one came up with the GFCIs but not the
> > plumbing, plus he zeroed in on settlement cracks on the back porch that
> > the first one didn't mention as a problem. That's why I was having
> > problems evaluating what's really necessary. Versus "oh let's see if we
> > can get her to upgrade this while we're at it".
> Your relative is incorrect....are they a =A0contractor, electrician,
> engineer or a DIY's that knows anything?
> GFI's can be installed without a ground, they come with stickers "no
> equipment ground"
> Inspectors justify their fee & cover their butts by finding
> "defects"....makes the buyer think they're getting their money;s
> worth.
> Be cooperative, preserve the sale but dont give away the farm.
> Discuss the list with your realtor & a person knowledgeable as to the
> cost of each item ...have your realtor make the list go away.
> cheers
> Bob
I wouldn't say the relative is incorrect. If it is indeed only 2 wire
w/out a ground, the correct and safest way (GFCI, right?) to install
it is to run wires plus a ground back to a panel or sub panel. All
other options are short cuts to save time, money or hassle, which
reduce the safety and *expected* working of the GFCI.
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Posted by bud-- on November 2, 2009, 9:11 am
teabird wrote:
>>> AZ Nomad wrote:
wrote:
>>>>> (I'm clueless about electricity... actually it sort of scares me, so
>>>>> this is all Greek to me).
>>>>> Question - I'm in the process of selling an older(1950's) home. The home
>>>>> inspection was Friday, and I got the buyers' laundry list Saturday
>>>>> afternoon. One of the things they are asking for is GFCI's to be
>>>>> installed in the bathrooms. (This is in Baltimore County, if that makes
>>>> Damn, you're a cheapskate.
>>> You haven't seen the rest of the laundry list...
>>> Seriously when I posted the question, I had no idea if having a GFIC
>>> installed was a big deal or not. A relative had just told me that since
>>> it was a two hole plug, the electrician would have to run additional
>>> wiring from the basement that could cost thousands. If it really is as
>>> seemingly straightforward as it's been made to sound, I don't mind
>>> paying for that.
>>> What amazes me is that this is the second home inspection in the last
>>> year, after the prev sale fell through. And both inspectors found
>>> entirely different things to complain about. The first one never
>>> mentioned GFCIs, but came up with things like the length of some exhaust
>>> pipe on the water heater. This one came up with the GFCIs but not the
>>> plumbing, plus he zeroed in on settlement cracks on the back porch that
>>> the first one didn't mention as a problem. That's why I was having
>>> problems evaluating what's really necessary. Versus "oh let's see if we
>>> can get her to upgrade this while we're at it".
>> Your relative is incorrect....are they a contractor, electrician,
>> engineer or a DIY's that knows anything?
>> GFI's can be installed without a ground, they come with stickers "no
>> equipment ground"
>> Inspectors justify their fee & cover their butts by finding
>> "defects"....makes the buyer think they're getting their money;s
>> worth.
>> Be cooperative, preserve the sale but dont give away the farm.
>> Discuss the list with your realtor & a person knowledgeable as to the
>> cost of each item ...have your realtor make the list go away.
>> cheers
>> Bob
>
> I wouldn't say the relative is incorrect. If it is indeed only 2 wire
> w/out a ground, the correct and safest way (GFCI, right?) to install
> it is to run wires plus a ground back to a panel or sub panel. All
> other options are short cuts to save time, money or hassle, which
> reduce the safety and *expected* working of the GFCI.
>
GFCIs still work when there is no ground. The NEC explicitly allows them
to be installed when there is no ground, but in that case they have to
have the label several people have referred to. IMHO RBM's second post
is the best advice.
--
bud--
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Posted by hallerb@aol.com on November 2, 2009, 9:24 am
> teabird wrote:
> >>> AZ Nomad wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:24:53 -0500, Lee B <not_my_real_a...@yahoo.co=
m> wrote:
> >>>>> (I'm clueless about electricity... actually it sort of scares me, s=
o
> >>>>> this is all Greek to me).
> >>>>> Question - I'm in the process of selling an older(1950's) home. The=
home
> >>>>> inspection was Friday, and I got the buyers' laundry list Saturday
> >>>>> afternoon. One of the things they are asking for is GFCI's to be
> >>>>> installed in the bathrooms. (This is in Baltimore County, if that m=
akes
> >>>> Damn, you're a cheapskate.
> >>> You haven't seen the rest of the laundry list...
> >>> Seriously when I posted the question, I had no idea if having a GFIC
> >>> installed was a big deal or not. A relative had just told me that sin=
ce
> >>> it was a two hole plug, the electrician would have to run additional
> >>> wiring from the basement that could cost thousands. If it really is a=
s
> >>> seemingly straightforward as it's been made to sound, I don't mind
> >>> paying for that.
> >>> What amazes me is that this is the second home inspection in the last
> >>> year, after the prev sale fell through. And both inspectors found
> >>> entirely different things to complain about. The first one never
> >>> mentioned GFCIs, but came up with things like the length of some exha=
ust
> >>> pipe on the water heater. This one came up with the GFCIs but not the
> >>> plumbing, plus he zeroed in on settlement cracks on the back porch th=
at
> >>> the first one didn't mention as a problem. That's why I was having
> >>> problems evaluating what's really necessary. Versus "oh let's see if =
we
> >>> can get her to upgrade this while we're at it".
> >> Your relative is incorrect....are they a =EF=BF=BDcontractor, electric=
ian,
> >> engineer or a DIY's that knows anything?
> >> GFI's can be installed without a ground, they come with stickers "no
> >> equipment ground"
> >> Inspectors justify their fee & cover their butts by finding
> >> "defects"....makes the buyer think they're getting their money;s
> >> worth.
> >> Be cooperative, preserve the sale but dont give away the farm.
> >> Discuss the list with your realtor & a person knowledgeable as to the
> >> cost of each item ...have your realtor make the list go away.
> >> cheers
> >> Bob
> > I wouldn't say the relative is incorrect. =EF=BF=BDIf it is indeed only=
2 wire
> > w/out a ground, the correct and safest way (GFCI, right?) to install
> > it is to run wires plus a ground back to a panel or sub panel. =EF=BF=
=BDAll
> > other options are short cuts to save time, money or hassle, which
> > reduce the safety and *expected* working of the GFCI.
> GFCIs still work when there is no ground. The NEC explicitly allows them
> to be installed when there is no ground, but in that case they have to
> have the label several people have referred to. IMHO RBM's second post
> is the best advice.
> --
> bud--- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
far better to install a ground wire.
its not a killer expense, treat the buyer nice, so they dont back out
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Posted by bud-- on November 3, 2009, 10:09 am
hallerb@aol.com wrote:
>> teabird wrote:
>>>>> AZ Nomad wrote:
wrote:
>>>>>>> (I'm clueless about electricity... actually it sort of scares me, so
>>>>>>> this is all Greek to me).
>>>>>>> Question - I'm in the process of selling an older(1950's) home. The home
>>>>>>> inspection was Friday, and I got the buyers' laundry list Saturday
>>>>>>> afternoon. One of the things they are asking for is GFCI's to be
>>>>>>> installed in the bathrooms. (This is in Baltimore County, if that makes
>>>>>> Damn, you're a cheapskate.
>>>>> You haven't seen the rest of the laundry list...
>>>>> Seriously when I posted the question, I had no idea if having a GFIC
>>>>> installed was a big deal or not. A relative had just told me that since
>>>>> it was a two hole plug, the electrician would have to run additional
>>>>> wiring from the basement that could cost thousands. If it really is as
>>>>> seemingly straightforward as it's been made to sound, I don't mind
>>>>> paying for that.
>>>>> What amazes me is that this is the second home inspection in the last
>>>>> year, after the prev sale fell through. And both inspectors found
>>>>> entirely different things to complain about. The first one never
>>>>> mentioned GFCIs, but came up with things like the length of some exhaust
>>>>> pipe on the water heater. This one came up with the GFCIs but not the
>>>>> plumbing, plus he zeroed in on settlement cracks on the back porch that
>>>>> the first one didn't mention as a problem. That's why I was having
>>>>> problems evaluating what's really necessary. Versus "oh let's see if we
>>>>> can get her to upgrade this while we're at it".
>>>> Your relative is incorrect....are they a �contractor, electrician,
>>>> engineer or a DIY's that knows anything?
>>>> GFI's can be installed without a ground, they come with stickers "no
>>>> equipment ground"
>>>> Inspectors justify their fee & cover their butts by finding
>>>> "defects"....makes the buyer think they're getting their money;s
>>>> worth.
>>>> Be cooperative, preserve the sale but dont give away the farm.
>>>> Discuss the list with your realtor & a person knowledgeable as to the
>>>> cost of each item ...have your realtor make the list go away.
>>>> cheers
>>>> Bob
>>> I wouldn't say the relative is incorrect. �If it is indeed only 2 wire
>>> w/out a ground, the correct and safest way (GFCI, right?) to install
>>> it is to run wires plus a ground back to a panel or sub panel. �All
>>> other options are short cuts to save time, money or hassle, which
>>> reduce the safety and *expected* working of the GFCI.
>>
>> GFCIs still work when there is no ground. The NEC explicitly allows them
>> to be installed when there is no ground, but in that case they have to
>> have the label several people have referred to. IMHO RBM's second post
>> is the best advice.
>> --
>> bud--
>> - Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
The only newsreader that leaves this garbage is your retarded google
one. The garbage is just more noise, even to the people that use
google-groups. Editing is too difficult a concept?
>
> far better to install a ground wire.
>
> its not a killer expense
Using your Ouija board again?
You have no idea how difficult it will be to add a ground wire.
And it has not been code compliant for many years to attach it to a
water pipe, except for the first 5 feet of pipe inside the building.
--
bud--
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Posted by DD_BobK on November 3, 2009, 11:26 am
> The only newsreader that leaves this garbage is your retarded google
> one. The garbage is just more noise, even to the people that use
> google-groups. Editing is too difficult a concept?
> > far better to install a ground wire.
> > its not a killer expense
> Using your Ouija board again?
> You have no idea how difficult it will be to add a ground wire.
> And it has not been code compliant for many years to attach it to a
> water pipe, except for the first 5 feet of pipe inside the building.
> --
> bud--
And the reason your previously posted replies contained lots of
"quoted text" that you failed to "edit" ...might be?
Editing is too difficult a concept?
cheers
Bob
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