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GFCI's required in a non-updated bathroom? (Two prong type) Lee B 11-01-2009
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Posted by on November 2, 2009, 1:49 pm


wrote:

>Besides.. it is very likely a 1950's house has a ground wire in the
>"Romex" bundle

That really depends on your builder and if he expected a GI Bill
inspection. Houses sold under the GI Bill were supposed to have
grounded wiring. Your chance of that happening probably varies by your
distance from the nearest VA office with an inspector. In DC it was
common to have 3 wire Romex and 2 pin receptacles in the 50s, even in
the cheapest tract house (most likely to get a GI tho). You can test
this with a 3 light tester and a 3 prong adapter connected to the
center screw. If it says "OK" you have a ground (although it is going
to be 16 or 18 gauge)

Posted by Nate Nagel on November 3, 2009, 8:51 am


DD_BobK wrote:
>> AZ Nomad wrote:
>>>> (I'm clueless about electricity... actually it sort of scares me, so
>>>> this is all Greek to me).
>>>> Question - I'm in the process of selling an older(1950's) home. The home
>>>> inspection was Friday, and I got the buyers' laundry list Saturday
>>>> afternoon. One of the things they are asking for is GFCI's to be
>>>> installed in the bathrooms. (This is in Baltimore County, if that makes
>>> Damn, you're a cheapskate.
>> You haven't seen the rest of the laundry list...
>> Seriously when I posted the question, I had no idea if having a GFIC
>> installed was a big deal or not. A relative had just told me that since
>> it was a two hole plug, the electrician would have to run additional
>> wiring from the basement that could cost thousands. If it really is as
>> seemingly straightforward as it's been made to sound, I don't mind
>> paying for that.
>> What amazes me is that this is the second home inspection in the last
>> year, after the prev sale fell through. And both inspectors found
>> entirely different things to complain about. The first one never
>> mentioned GFCIs, but came up with things like the length of some exhaust
>> pipe on the water heater. This one came up with the GFCIs but not the
>> plumbing, plus he zeroed in on settlement cracks on the back porch that
>> the first one didn't mention as a problem. That's why I was having
>> problems evaluating what's really necessary. Versus "oh let's see if we
>> can get her to upgrade this while we're at it".
>
> Your relative is incorrect....are they a contractor, electrician,
> engineer or a DIY's that knows anything?
> GFI's can be installed without a ground, they come with stickers "no
> equipment ground"
>
> Inspectors justify their fee & cover their butts by finding
> "defects"....makes the buyer think they're getting their money;s
> worth.
>
> Be cooperative, preserve the sale but dont give away the farm.
> Discuss the list with your realtor & a person knowledgeable as to the
> cost of each item ...have your realtor make the list go away.
>
> cheers
> Bob

I believe the GFCI itself needs a ground, it's the stuff downstream that
doesn't.

nate

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Posted by on November 3, 2009, 10:11 am


wrote:

>I believe the GFCI itself needs a ground, it's the stuff downstream that
>doesn't.


nope, it works just fine without any ground at all.

Posted by Douglas Johnson on November 3, 2009, 8:07 pm



>I believe the GFCI itself needs a ground, it's the stuff downstream that
>doesn't.

Nope. As mentioned several times in this thread, GFCI's work just fine without
a ground. In most cases, they are a safe and code approved alternative to
installing a safety ground. -- Doug

Posted by AZ Nomad on November 3, 2009, 10:28 pm


>I believe the GFCI itself needs a ground, it's the stuff downstream that
>doesn't.

Exactly wrong.

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