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GFI Receptacle Question NEW INFORMATION MORE New info FLHTPI 06-18-2006
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Posted by FLHTPI on June 18, 2006, 9:30 am


NEW INFORMATION:

OK, based on the help I got here, I checked out my circuit.
Here's what I have:

The GFI is switched.
When the light comes on it's supposed to be live.

I checked the wiring for the light, and here's what I found:
There are three wires coming out of the wall at the light.

The black is connected to black for the light.
The white is connected to white for the light.
There's a double Brown wire is connected to both the black and white,
(one leg to each).

At the GFI, there are only a black and white, (actually, there's a
ground at both locations, too).

When I disconnect the brown from either the white or the black at the
light, the GFI works but the light doesn't.

One more thing I just found:

I openned up the switch itself.
There are:
A black and white wire connected to the switch, and a black and white
wire connected to each other.
If I seem completely lost and confused it's becuase I am.

Posted by Joseph Meehan on June 18, 2006, 10:21 am
FLHTPI wrote:
> NEW INFORMATION:
>

See response in the original thread.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit



Posted by FLHTPI on June 18, 2006, 3:46 pm
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 14:21:42 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"

Joe-

Here’s what I did:

I checked the all the connections and everything seems to be OK.

Remember there are two white wires and two black wires at the light.
The brown wires were for the light itself, (Duh).

The two black wires are connected to one leg of the light. One white
wire goes to the light, and the other white wire is now connected to
ground. At this point, the light works, and the GFI works.

I’m still concerned about your comment about connecting neutral to
ground. I’m not sure where the white wire that’s connected to ground
goes, but the whole thing seems to work now. Is there a way to check
if the circuit is wired safely??

Thanks a million for your advice.

Dia is Muire duit.

Don


Posted by Noozer on June 18, 2006, 5:21 pm
> I'm still concerned about your comment about connecting neutral to
> ground. I'm not sure where the white wire that's connected to ground
> goes, but the whole thing seems to work now. Is there a way to check
> if the circuit is wired safely??

There is *NO* white wire connected to ground.

You obviously won't take advice. Hire an electrician so you can argue face
to face with someone.



Posted by Joseph Meehan on June 18, 2006, 6:34 pm
FLHTPI wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 14:21:42 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
>
> Joe-
>
> Here's what I did:
>
> I checked the all the connections and everything seems to be OK.
>
> Remember there are two white wires and two black wires at the light.
> The brown wires were for the light itself, (Duh).

Brown is not a standard US or NA color for residential in-wall wiring.
It is an indication that something may not be properly wired and everything
should be suspect until it is checked or until it is understood where those
brown wires came from.

>
> The two black wires are connected to one leg of the light. One white
> wire goes to the light, and the other white wire is now connected to
> ground.

White wires are by description current carrying neutrals. They should
be connected to ground ONLY in the breaker box, any other connections to
ground is a code and safety violation. It is also an indication of a
problem with the why it was wired and a second indication that the entire
system should be suspect and considered a potential danger until it is
thoroughly checked and any errors and violations corrected.

> At this point, the light works, and the GFI works.
>
> I'm still concerned about your comment about connecting neutral to
> ground. I'm not sure where the white wire that's connected to ground
> goes, but the whole thing seems to work now. Is there a way to check
> if the circuit is wired safely??

It is not easy to check unless you really know what you are doing as
there are many possible variations and unless you known them well, you may
well miss something.

The fact that some part of it works is not an indication that it is
properly or safely wired.

I suggest that it is time to call in a professional to find out what is
going on before something serious may happen.

For example from what you are describing, it is possible that under
certain conditions someone could be injured from a plumbing fixture or a
fire may result from the wrong type of wire being used.

>
> Thanks a million for your advice.
>
> Dia is Muire duit.
>
> Don

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit



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