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GFI circuit yaofeng 07-09-2006
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Posted by MDT at Paragon Home Inspection on July 9, 2006, 3:03 pm

yaofeng wrote:
> The kitchen outlet circuit with the GFI is very sensitive it trips all
> the time. Where do I start looking for potential culprit. I have to
> move the refrigerator out of that circuit or food will spoil The range
> is affected too. This is in an rental where the outlet circuit was
> added.

Is this a circuit on a GFCI circuit breaker, or is it on a standard
breaker, with the GFCI function provided by one or more GFCI
receptacles? I ask because if the GFCI functions is provided by
individual receptacles, the local building department might allow a
non-GFIC receptacle for the refrigerator and stove if these were
dedicated single-receptacle outlets in locations were they were
unlikely to be used as "utility" outlets.

Michael Thomas
Paragon Home Inspection, LLC
Chicago IL
mdtATparagoninspectsDOTcom


Posted by yaofeng on July 10, 2006, 8:50 am

MDT at Paragon Home Inspections, LLC wrote:
> yaofeng wrote:
> > The kitchen outlet circuit with the GFI is very sensitive it trips all
> > the time. Where do I start looking for potential culprit. I have to
> > move the refrigerator out of that circuit or food will spoil The range
> > is affected too. This is in an rental where the outlet circuit was
> > added.
>
> Is this a circuit on a GFCI circuit breaker, or is it on a standard
> breaker, with the GFCI function provided by one or more GFCI
> receptacles? I ask because if the GFCI functions is provided by
> individual receptacles, the local building department might allow a
> non-GFIC receptacle for the refrigerator and stove if these were
> dedicated single-receptacle outlets in locations were they were
> unlikely to be used as "utility" outlets.
>
> Michael Thomas
> Paragon Home Inspection, LLC
> Chicago IL
> mdtATparagoninspectsDOTcom

Thanks to all who replied. I asked an electrical guy in my company.
He said it is very likely the GFCI outlet has become bad because it has
been placed upstream of the refrigerator. Over time the refreigerator
cycling on and off is making the GFCI outlet go bad.

This circuit is on a standard breaker with a GFCI receptacle.


Posted by on July 10, 2006, 1:42 pm
wrote:

>Thanks to all who replied. I asked an electrical guy in my company.
>He said it is very likely the GFCI outlet has become bad because it has
>been placed upstream of the refrigerator. Over time the refreigerator
>cycling on and off is making the GFCI outlet go bad.
>
>This circuit is on a standard breaker with a GFCI receptacle.

That's bullshit. The fridge may trip a GFCI when they get old but they
don't damage the GFCI. The compressor develops small internal shorts
that get detected by the GFCI

Posted by yaofeng on July 10, 2006, 10:19 pm

gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> wrote:
>
> >Thanks to all who replied. I asked an electrical guy in my company.
> >He said it is very likely the GFCI outlet has become bad because it has
> >been placed upstream of the refrigerator. Over time the refreigerator
> >cycling on and off is making the GFCI outlet go bad.
> >
> >This circuit is on a standard breaker with a GFCI receptacle.
>
> That's bullshit. The fridge may trip a GFCI when they get old but they
> don't damage the GFCI. The compressor develops small internal shorts
> that get detected by the GFCI

I am no electrician. But if the fridge trips the GFCI. The fridge is
taken out so food spoils. This is not anyone wants.

I have placed the fridge either on a different circuit or upstream of
the GFCI I am not sure which. The tenanats complain to me the oven
doesn't work. It is because the GFCI keeps tripping to take the the
oven electricity source out so it won't ignite.


Posted by on July 11, 2006, 12:22 am
wrote:

>I have placed the fridge either on a different circuit or upstream of
>the GFCI I am not sure which.

You can get away with plugging a fridge in a non-GFCI receptacle under
most situations.
If the ground is good you shouldn't really have a problem but you
still have a ground fault that shows up on your electric bill. If you
cut open the compressor you would find burnt freon and signs of arcing
but since this is a sealed system you don't know anything until the
compressor gets so bad it shorts out and trips the breaker or blows a
winding open and won't start.
They usually run a long time this way but they cost more to operate
and are warning you they could crap out any day..

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