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Posted by Van Chocstraw on November 3, 2009, 12:09 pm
MiamiCuse wrote:
> I have a question on those foam sealant especially the GREAT STUFF
> products.
>
> First, I think those are basically for insulation and nothing else,
> right?
>
> Would you use it in places where no insulation is necessary, but you
> still want to put up a water tight barrier?
>
> For example, I have a 3" PVC pipe that exits the house below the slab
> through the block wall (the block wall extends below the slab to at
> least 24" below, don't really know how deep it goes have not got to
> the bottom of it). Anyways I drilled a hole through the block wall
> about 3"x3" for the pipe to pass. The hole is uneven and it's through
> a hollow block wall. I don't need to insulate it since it's 18" below
> my concrete slab, but I want to stop bugs, tree roots, rodents, or
> rain runoffs from coming through it. I patched it with concrete mix
> on the outside of the hole. But the entire hollowed space in between,
> do I spray the cavity with this foam stuff?
>
> Are there any fundamental differences between the Fireblock foam, door
> and window foam, cracks and gaps foam and big gap foam?
>
> There are many places in my block wall electricians have hollowed out
> for recessed boxes. I am thinking of filling those with foam.
> However since the wall is made of hollowed concrete blocks, the space
> behind the hole is big, sometimes it extends above and below to the
> voids of the adjacent blocks. Being in Miami I would like to insulate
> best I can. What do you recommend be the most effective way to seal
> these holes?
>
> These small cans are expensive at $4-$7 a can. If I need larger
> quantities, they don't sell them in garbage can sizes?
>
> MC
I also use it to fill in chipmunk holes on my lawn. I take a piece of
plywood, make a hole in it just big enough for the great stuff straw,
cover the hole and empty the can. It must go quite deep and fill all the
areas.
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Posted by DerbyDad03 on November 3, 2009, 4:51 pm
> I have a question on those foam sealant especially the GREAT STUFF
> products.
> First, I think those are basically for insulation and nothing else,
> right?
> Would you use it in places where no insulation is necessary, but you
> still want to put up a water tight barrier?
> For example, I have a 3" PVC pipe that exits the house below the slab
> through the block wall (the block wall extends below the slab to at
> least 24" below, don't really know how deep it goes have not got to
> the bottom of it). =A0Anyways I drilled a hole through the block wall
> about 3"x3" for the pipe to pass. =A0The hole is uneven and it's through
> a hollow block wall. =A0I don't need to insulate it since it's 18" below
> my concrete slab, but I want to stop bugs, tree roots, rodents, or
> rain runoffs from coming through it. =A0I patched it with concrete mix
> on the outside of the hole. =A0But the entire hollowed space in between,
> do I spray the cavity with this foam stuff?
> Are there any fundamental differences between the Fireblock foam, door
> and window foam, cracks and gaps foam and big gap foam?
> There are many places in my block wall electricians have hollowed out
> for recessed boxes. =A0I am thinking of filling those with foam.
> However since the wall is made of hollowed concrete blocks, the space
> behind the hole is big, sometimes it extends above and below to the
> voids of the adjacent blocks. =A0Being in Miami I would like to insulate
> best I can. =A0What do you recommend be the most effective way to seal
> these holes?
> These small cans are expensive at $4-$7 a can. =A0If I need larger
> quantities, they don't sell them in garbage can sizes?
> MC
re: Are there any fundamental differences between the Fireblock foam,
door and window foam, cracks and gaps foam and big gap foam?
There are differences in the expanding properties of the different
brands/types. There are "expanding foams" and "minimal expanding
foams". Polyurethane foams and Latex foams. There is also Foam
Pressure to consider. Low Pressure does not necessarily mean Low
Expansion.
For example, take a look at the Great Stuff Window and Door compared
to DAP Window and Door.
Great Stuff says to fill the cavity to 50% to allow for expansion, DAP
says to fill to 90%. (I just did a window with DAP and I can attest to
the 90% number.)
I've heard of issues with some foams actually bowing the frames of
vinyl windows due to over-expansion. DAP is supposed to be safe in
that regard. There are other brands such as Hilti to consider also.
Check out this thread:
http://www.vinyl-replacement-windows.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D546
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Posted by The Daring Dufas on November 3, 2009, 8:51 pm
MiamiCuse wrote:
> I have a question on those foam sealant especially the GREAT STUFF
> products.
>
> First, I think those are basically for insulation and nothing else,
> right?
>
> Would you use it in places where no insulation is necessary, but you
> still want to put up a water tight barrier?
>
> For example, I have a 3" PVC pipe that exits the house below the slab
> through the block wall (the block wall extends below the slab to at
> least 24" below, don't really know how deep it goes have not got to
> the bottom of it). Anyways I drilled a hole through the block wall
> about 3"x3" for the pipe to pass. The hole is uneven and it's through
> a hollow block wall. I don't need to insulate it since it's 18" below
> my concrete slab, but I want to stop bugs, tree roots, rodents, or
> rain runoffs from coming through it. I patched it with concrete mix
> on the outside of the hole. But the entire hollowed space in between,
> do I spray the cavity with this foam stuff?
>
> Are there any fundamental differences between the Fireblock foam, door
> and window foam, cracks and gaps foam and big gap foam?
>
> There are many places in my block wall electricians have hollowed out
> for recessed boxes. I am thinking of filling those with foam.
> However since the wall is made of hollowed concrete blocks, the space
> behind the hole is big, sometimes it extends above and below to the
> voids of the adjacent blocks. Being in Miami I would like to insulate
> best I can. What do you recommend be the most effective way to seal
> these holes?
>
> These small cans are expensive at $4-$7 a can. If I need larger
> quantities, they don't sell them in garbage can sizes?
>
> MC
That stuff works great up the tailpipe of some jerks BMW too.
TDD
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Posted by Van Chocstraw on November 3, 2009, 9:56 pm
The Daring Dufas wrote:
> MiamiCuse wrote:
>> I have a question on those foam sealant especially the GREAT STUFF
>> products.
>> First, I think those are basically for insulation and nothing else,
>> right?
>> Would you use it in places where no insulation is necessary, but you
>> still want to put up a water tight barrier?
>> For example, I have a 3" PVC pipe that exits the house below the slab
>> through the block wall (the block wall extends below the slab to at
>> least 24" below, don't really know how deep it goes have not got to
>> the bottom of it). Anyways I drilled a hole through the block wall
>> about 3"x3" for the pipe to pass. The hole is uneven and it's through
>> a hollow block wall. I don't need to insulate it since it's 18" below
>> my concrete slab, but I want to stop bugs, tree roots, rodents, or
>> rain runoffs from coming through it. I patched it with concrete mix
>> on the outside of the hole. But the entire hollowed space in between,
>> do I spray the cavity with this foam stuff?
>> Are there any fundamental differences between the Fireblock foam, door
>> and window foam, cracks and gaps foam and big gap foam?
>> There are many places in my block wall electricians have hollowed out
>> for recessed boxes. I am thinking of filling those with foam.
>> However since the wall is made of hollowed concrete blocks, the space
>> behind the hole is big, sometimes it extends above and below to the
>> voids of the adjacent blocks. Being in Miami I would like to insulate
>> best I can. What do you recommend be the most effective way to seal
>> these holes?
>> These small cans are expensive at $4-$7 a can. If I need larger
>> quantities, they don't sell them in garbage can sizes?
>> MC
>
> That stuff works great up the tailpipe of some jerks BMW too.
>
> TDD
Depends on how soon after they start the car. They could just blow it
all out if it's still wet.
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Posted by The Daring Dufas on November 3, 2009, 10:39 pm
Van Chocstraw wrote:
> The Daring Dufas wrote:
>> MiamiCuse wrote:
>>> I have a question on those foam sealant especially the GREAT STUFF
>>> products.
>>> First, I think those are basically for insulation and nothing else,
>>> right?
>>> Would you use it in places where no insulation is necessary, but you
>>> still want to put up a water tight barrier?
>>> For example, I have a 3" PVC pipe that exits the house below the slab
>>> through the block wall (the block wall extends below the slab to at
>>> least 24" below, don't really know how deep it goes have not got to
>>> the bottom of it). Anyways I drilled a hole through the block wall
>>> about 3"x3" for the pipe to pass. The hole is uneven and it's through
>>> a hollow block wall. I don't need to insulate it since it's 18" below
>>> my concrete slab, but I want to stop bugs, tree roots, rodents, or
>>> rain runoffs from coming through it. I patched it with concrete mix
>>> on the outside of the hole. But the entire hollowed space in between,
>>> do I spray the cavity with this foam stuff?
>>> Are there any fundamental differences between the Fireblock foam, door
>>> and window foam, cracks and gaps foam and big gap foam?
>>> There are many places in my block wall electricians have hollowed out
>>> for recessed boxes. I am thinking of filling those with foam.
>>> However since the wall is made of hollowed concrete blocks, the space
>>> behind the hole is big, sometimes it extends above and below to the
>>> voids of the adjacent blocks. Being in Miami I would like to insulate
>>> best I can. What do you recommend be the most effective way to seal
>>> these holes?
>>> These small cans are expensive at $4-$7 a can. If I need larger
>>> quantities, they don't sell them in garbage can sizes?
>>> MC
>> That stuff works great up the tailpipe of some jerks BMW too.
>> TDD
>
> Depends on how soon after they start the car. They could just blow it
> all out if it's still wet.
That's why you use a long extension tube that will reach way
up in there to the muffler. *snicker*
TDD
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> products.
>
> First, I think those are basically for insulation and nothing else,
> right?
>
> Would you use it in places where no insulation is necessary, but you
> still want to put up a water tight barrier?
>
> For example, I have a 3" PVC pipe that exits the house below the slab
> through the block wall (the block wall extends below the slab to at
> least 24" below, don't really know how deep it goes have not got to
> the bottom of it). Anyways I drilled a hole through the block wall
> about 3"x3" for the pipe to pass. The hole is uneven and it's through
> a hollow block wall. I don't need to insulate it since it's 18" below
> my concrete slab, but I want to stop bugs, tree roots, rodents, or
> rain runoffs from coming through it. I patched it with concrete mix
> on the outside of the hole. But the entire hollowed space in between,
> do I spray the cavity with this foam stuff?
>
> Are there any fundamental differences between the Fireblock foam, door
> and window foam, cracks and gaps foam and big gap foam?
>
> There are many places in my block wall electricians have hollowed out
> for recessed boxes. I am thinking of filling those with foam.
> However since the wall is made of hollowed concrete blocks, the space
> behind the hole is big, sometimes it extends above and below to the
> voids of the adjacent blocks. Being in Miami I would like to insulate
> best I can. What do you recommend be the most effective way to seal
> these holes?
>
> These small cans are expensive at $4-$7 a can. If I need larger
> quantities, they don't sell them in garbage can sizes?
>
> MC