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Gas Plumbing into detached garage through breezeway. Mook Johnson 08-18-2006
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Posted by Mook Johnson on August 18, 2006, 11:58 pm
before I get laughed at by a plumber I'd your opinion on if this is
feasable.

I'm considering a 15KW NG generator that I would like to install behind my
detached garage. My gas meter is on the side of the house opposite where
the generator will be installed (of course).

I'm looking at "T"ing off the 1" ID gas pipe just as it enters the attic (1
story hose) about 10' from the meter. At that distance from the meter, that
pipe is capable of supplying at least 550 CFH of NG. Down stream from the
"T", the household appliances branch off and together consume a combined
total of 200 CFH if everything is on (unlikely).

At the "T", I would run a second 1 1/2" ID line a total of 150 feet through
the attic of the house, then through the attic if a 30' breezeway, and into
the open frame detached garage. From the end of this 1 1/2", line the
generator would consume 250CFH at full load.

1 1/2" pipe is likely overkill but was chosen to minimize the pressure drop
while starting the generator. However there will be six 90 degre elbows in
the pipe to make the trip so that would cause some flow restrictions.

This puts a load at the "T" in the attic at 450 CFH which is within what
that diameter pipe is capable of supplying at 10' from the meter.

This of course will mean upgrading the meter to a larger one. my current
model is rated for 250CFH@ 0.5" of H20 drop.

Questions.

1) This will be in Houston TX. Will ther ebe any code problems with running
a gas pipe to the back of the garage in this manner?

I priced a second gas pipe and it is rediculous! $1500 to install and a
minimum of $15 per month even if no gas is used.


2) Are there any technical issues with opening a 1" pipe up to 1 1/2" for
along run with minimum drop?

3) any other problems with this approach? too many elbows?

thanks
















Posted by John Gilmer on August 19, 2006, 7:41 am
Were I you, I would "consider" getting a much smaller generator.

If you have NG in the first place, you are "close in" so power interruptions
should not be all that frequent or prolonged.

All you NEED is enough power to keep the furnace working in winter (less
than 1KW) and some nice to have stuff like lights and TV.

In summer you NEED the ice box, freezer, maybe a window A/C unit, and the
TV.

15 KW is enough power to keep an "all electric" house going.

> before I get laughed at by a plumber I'd your opinion on if this is
> feasable.
>
> I'm considering a 15KW NG generator that I would like to install behind my
> detached garage. My gas meter is on the side of the house opposite where
> the generator will be installed (of course).
>
> I'm looking at "T"ing off the 1" ID gas pipe just as it enters the attic
(1
> story hose) about 10' from the meter. At that distance from the meter,
that
> pipe is capable of supplying at least 550 CFH of NG. Down stream from the
> "T", the household appliances branch off and together consume a combined
> total of 200 CFH if everything is on (unlikely).
>
> At the "T", I would run a second 1 1/2" ID line a total of 150 feet
through
> the attic of the house, then through the attic if a 30' breezeway, and
into
> the open frame detached garage. From the end of this 1 1/2", line the
> generator would consume 250CFH at full load.
>
> 1 1/2" pipe is likely overkill but was chosen to minimize the pressure
drop
> while starting the generator. However there will be six 90 degre elbows
in
> the pipe to make the trip so that would cause some flow restrictions.
>
> This puts a load at the "T" in the attic at 450 CFH which is within what
> that diameter pipe is capable of supplying at 10' from the meter.
>
> This of course will mean upgrading the meter to a larger one. my current
> model is rated for 250CFH@ 0.5" of H20 drop.
>
> Questions.
>
> 1) This will be in Houston TX. Will ther ebe any code problems with
running
> a gas pipe to the back of the garage in this manner?
>
> I priced a second gas pipe and it is rediculous! $1500 to install and a
> minimum of $15 per month even if no gas is used.
>
>
> 2) Are there any technical issues with opening a 1" pipe up to 1 1/2" for
> along run with minimum drop?
>
> 3) any other problems with this approach? too many elbows?
>
> thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Posted by hallerb@aol.com on August 19, 2006, 9:44 am
Its probably cheaper to install the generator right near the gas line
and run a main power cable to the breaker box. Easier than gas line.
voltage drop on proper sized cable is meaningless..........

this houston poster doesnt want any inconvenience by a outage, I hope
he opts for a autiomatic start system. Home depo is selling them
locally/ You buy the generator and a contractor handles the entire
install from concrete pad for generator to permits install and user
training. You REALLY want a auto system it starts weekly for exercise
and reports troubles automatically.

can you imagine having a big generator and finding it doesnt work
when needed the most:(:(:(

I would love a neighbor like him he will have enough capacity to keep
the neighbors fridges and such running. time for extension cords:)


Posted by John Gilmer on August 19, 2006, 10:06 am


>
> I would love a neighbor like him he will have enough capacity to keep
> the neighbors fridges and such running. time for extension cords:

The last time our power went out for an extended period of time (more than
24 hours), we saw an extension cord strung out over the public highway. I
think they had public power on one side of the road but down lines on the
other side. (We lose power a lot because wind takes broken trees into
power lines.)

This was the first extended outage for us since getting a 5KW generator.
Just enough for the water pump, a room air condition, light cooking on the
stove, coffee pot, ice box.

Had it lasted longer I would have played games and heated up a batch of hot
water for some quick showers but it wasn't necessary. The hot water
heater draws 4400 watts. The generator likely could heat water and maybe
run the TV at the same time.

We have some neighbors (on the rich side) who have a large generator that
comes on automatically. When our lights fail, the sound of their generator
tells us whether it's just our transformer or a larger outage.
>



Posted by John Gilmer on August 19, 2006, 10:12 am

> Its probably cheaper to install the generator right near the gas line
> and run a main power cable to the breaker box.

Maybe so; maybe no.

Running a gas pipe isn't much more trouble than running conduit. And once
you have a gas line running through the house it becomes cheap to add in to
taps for ventless gas room heaters.

With a 15KW unit, you almost certainly would have an automatic transfer
switch and automatic exercising of the generator once a week/month. Thus,
you have to provide for the control wiring as well as the power cable.




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