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Gas dryer thermostat question. David Farber 05-31-2006
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Posted by David Farber on May 31, 2006, 1:42 pm
I have a Kenmore 110.76912692 gas clothes dryer. The 186ºF non-resettable
thermal fuse opened which caused the burner to cut out. There was a
considerable amount of lint built up so I cleaned it all out. I'm about to
replace the fuse but I also had some other questions regarding the operation
of the thermostat.

When I disassembled the dryer, there was a nice schematic (more of a block
diagram) hiding under the control panel. According to the diagram, the
series of devices in line with the heating circuit is as follows:

186ºF thermal fuse.
Operating thermostat, 150ºF or 155ºF.
High limit thermostat 205ºF.

Then from there, it goes to the gas burner assembly.

If the thermal fuse is set at 186º what's the point of having a high limit
switch at 205º?

The operating thermostat is a 4 terminal device which sits right next to the
thermal fuse. Two of the terminals make up a single pole switch. The other
two terminals have a resistance of 7k ohms and from what I can figure out at
the company's website (see link below) that makes this device, it uses some
sort of biasing to alter the cutoff point. Is this correct?

http://www.thermodisc.com/productdetail.asp?ProductID=8

Thanks for your reply.
--
David Farber
David Farber's Service Center
L.A., CA



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Posted by PipeDown on May 31, 2006, 7:23 pm

>I have a Kenmore 110.76912692 gas clothes dryer. The 186ºF non-resettable
> thermal fuse opened which caused the burner to cut out. There was a
> considerable amount of lint built up so I cleaned it all out. I'm about to
> replace the fuse but I also had some other questions regarding the
> operation
> of the thermostat.
>
> When I disassembled the dryer, there was a nice schematic (more of a block
> diagram) hiding under the control panel. According to the diagram, the
> series of devices in line with the heating circuit is as follows:
>
> 186ºF thermal fuse.
> Operating thermostat, 150ºF or 155ºF.
> High limit thermostat 205ºF.
>
> Then from there, it goes to the gas burner assembly.
>
> If the thermal fuse is set at 186º what's the point of having a high limit
> switch at 205º?
>
> The operating thermostat is a 4 terminal device which sits right next to
> the
> thermal fuse. Two of the terminals make up a single pole switch. The other
> two terminals have a resistance of 7k ohms and from what I can figure out
> at
> the company's website (see link below) that makes this device, it uses
> some
> sort of biasing to alter the cutoff point. Is this correct?
>
> http://www.thermodisc.com/productdetail.asp?ProductID=8
>
> Thanks for your reply.
> --
> David Farber
> David Farber's Service Center
> L.A., CA
>
>


The physical location of the high limit and thermal fuse might answer the
question. Not really sure about that. The thermal fuse usually dosen't
blow until the airflow is restricted by lint build up anywhere in the stream
as you found out. I think the fuse is further from the burner, again not
too sure.

The other two terminals connect to a small strip heater beside the bimetal
switch inside the thermostat. This can be biased with AC voltage to bias
the temperature at the switch (making it think it is warmer than it actually
is). I believe they do this during the gentle cycle (or delicate -
whatever) to get a lower temp without needing to have a different
thermostatic switch.



Posted by David Farber on May 31, 2006, 7:37 pm

>
> >I have a Kenmore 110.76912692 gas clothes dryer. The 186ºF non-resettable
> > thermal fuse opened which caused the burner to cut out. There was a
> > considerable amount of lint built up so I cleaned it all out. I'm about
to
> > replace the fuse but I also had some other questions regarding the
> > operation
> > of the thermostat.
> >
> > When I disassembled the dryer, there was a nice schematic (more of a
block
> > diagram) hiding under the control panel. According to the diagram, the
> > series of devices in line with the heating circuit is as follows:
> >
> > 186ºF thermal fuse.
> > Operating thermostat, 150ºF or 155ºF.
> > High limit thermostat 205ºF.
> >
> > Then from there, it goes to the gas burner assembly.
> >
> > If the thermal fuse is set at 186º what's the point of having a high
limit
> > switch at 205º?
> >
> > The operating thermostat is a 4 terminal device which sits right next to
> > the
> > thermal fuse. Two of the terminals make up a single pole switch. The
other
> > two terminals have a resistance of 7k ohms and from what I can figure
out
> > at
> > the company's website (see link below) that makes this device, it uses
> > some
> > sort of biasing to alter the cutoff point. Is this correct?
> >
> > http://www.thermodisc.com/productdetail.asp?ProductID=8
> >
> > Thanks for your reply.
> > --
> > David Farber
> > David Farber's Service Center
> > L.A., CA
> >
> >
>
>
> The physical location of the high limit and thermal fuse might answer the
> question. Not really sure about that. The thermal fuse usually dosen't
> blow until the airflow is restricted by lint build up anywhere in the
stream
> as you found out. I think the fuse is further from the burner, again not
> too sure.
>
> The other two terminals connect to a small strip heater beside the bimetal
> switch inside the thermostat. This can be biased with AC voltage to bias
> the temperature at the switch (making it think it is warmer than it
actually
> is). I believe they do this during the gentle cycle (or delicate -
> whatever) to get a lower temp without needing to have a different
> thermostatic switch.
>
>

I guess it makes sense that the sensor nearest the burner would have a
higher cut off temperature.

Using that AC voltage bias is a neat trick. The schematic shows a thermostat
heater resistor with a resistance of 5600 to 8400 ohms. It's not shown
linked to the thermostat. Perhaps a dotted line between the thermostat and
the resistor would have made things a bit more clear.

Thanks for your reply.
--
David Farber
David Farber's Service Center
L.A., CA



Posted by on June 1, 2006, 12:25 am
Thermostat/fuse placement on gas dryers is only slightly different from
electric dryers. A thermal fuse opening on the flame housing might
indicate poor airflow, causing heat buildup in that area. If there is
a thermostat in that area, it backs up the thermal fuse.

A thermal fuse in the blower housing area guards against overly high
temperatures in the drum, and hence the blower housing itself. Since
there is no electric element to short, runaway temps in the blower
housing point more to an operating thermostat problem. Poor venting
tends to reduce, not increase, temps at the blower housing.


Posted by David Farber on June 1, 2006, 4:45 pm

> Thermostat/fuse placement on gas dryers is only slightly different from
> electric dryers. A thermal fuse opening on the flame housing might
> indicate poor airflow, causing heat buildup in that area. If there is
> a thermostat in that area, it backs up the thermal fuse.
>
> A thermal fuse in the blower housing area guards against overly high
> temperatures in the drum, and hence the blower housing itself. Since
> there is no electric element to short, runaway temps in the blower
> housing point more to an operating thermostat problem. Poor venting
> tends to reduce, not increase, temps at the blower housing.
>

I'm going to replace the thermostat along with the thermal fuse.

Thanks for your reply.
--
David Farber
David Farber's Service Center
L.A., CA



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