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Ground rods Jim Elbrecht 09-26-2007
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Posted by Jim Elbrecht on September 26, 2007, 6:41 pm
I'm digging the basement out in my 100yr old house & am at a point
that there is no poured floor & think it would be wise to drive some
ground rods for my electric service.

The current service is grounded to the city water pipe. [a 1"copper
line]

I've been here 20 years and the service is probably 10 yrs older than
that. There is no other ground inside or out.

The soil is wet clay - so I don't see any problem in driving a couple
8' rods.

My plan was to drive one directly under the breaker box alongside the
footing - and the other 6' away. [would more distance make any
difference?]

Questions-
Copper is expensive, but we're only talking about <15' of wire- is
bigger better? How big?

Is one ground rod connector particularly better than any others?

Should the rods be driven to current grade so when the floor is poured
the connectors are below or in the concrete?

Once these are in should I remove the ground to the city water- or
leave it alone?

Thanks
Jim

AppliancePartsPros.com, Inc.
Posted by RBM on September 26, 2007, 6:50 pm
The rods should be a minimum of six feet apart. Acorn connectors work fine.
I would leave the conductor connection above the concrete to be sure the
connection is in good shape. The size of the conductor between the rods and
to the service ground buss depends upon the size of the service, but #4 is
suitable for any service up to 200 amp and doesn't need supplemental
protection. Leave the existing water pipe ground in place as well



> I'm digging the basement out in my 100yr old house & am at a point
> that there is no poured floor & think it would be wise to drive some
> ground rods for my electric service.
>
> The current service is grounded to the city water pipe. [a 1"copper
> line]
>
> I've been here 20 years and the service is probably 10 yrs older than
> that. There is no other ground inside or out.
>
> The soil is wet clay - so I don't see any problem in driving a couple
> 8' rods.
>
> My plan was to drive one directly under the breaker box alongside the
> footing - and the other 6' away. [would more distance make any
> difference?]
>
> Questions-
> Copper is expensive, but we're only talking about <15' of wire- is
> bigger better? How big?
>
> Is one ground rod connector particularly better than any others?
>
> Should the rods be driven to current grade so when the floor is poured
> the connectors are below or in the concrete?
>
> Once these are in should I remove the ground to the city water- or
> leave it alone?
>
> Thanks
> Jim



Posted by John Grabowski on September 26, 2007, 8:26 pm

> I'm digging the basement out in my 100yr old house & am at a point
> that there is no poured floor & think it would be wise to drive some
> ground rods for my electric service.
>
> The current service is grounded to the city water pipe. [a 1"copper
> line]
>
> I've been here 20 years and the service is probably 10 yrs older than
> that. There is no other ground inside or out.
>
> The soil is wet clay - so I don't see any problem in driving a couple
> 8' rods.
>
> My plan was to drive one directly under the breaker box alongside the
> footing - and the other 6' away. [would more distance make any
> difference?]


6' apart is the code minimum standard, but 16' or more apart is optimum. It
has something to do with the length of the rods.



>
> Questions-
> Copper is expensive, but we're only talking about <15' of wire- is
> bigger better? How big?



#4 should suffice. Solid is cheaper than stranded, but harder to work with.


>
> Is one ground rod connector particularly better than any others?


Use the Bronze acorn style and put the wire between the clamp and the rod in
the V; not between the bolt on the clamp and the rod.

>
> Should the rods be driven to current grade so when the floor is poured
> the connectors are below or in the concrete?


You could do that. You might want to have a PVC sleeve coming out of the
concrete to protect the wire at floor level.

>
> Once these are in should I remove the ground to the city water- or
> leave it alone?


Leave the connection to the water pipe in tact. You might want to check to
make sure it is tight and not corroded. If so replace it.



Posted by HeyBub on September 26, 2007, 8:32 pm
Jim Elbrecht wrote:

> Once these are in should I remove the ground to the city water- or
> leave it alone?
>

Leave the connection to the pipes. The connection to the pipe is to ground
the plumbing, not provide a ground for the electrical system.



Posted by RBM on September 26, 2007, 8:45 pm
This is incorrect. The existing water pipe ground is indeed part of the
grounding electrode system, when attached to the first five feet of entrance
pipe. You'll find it in NEC 250.50 Grounding Electrode System






> Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>
>> Once these are in should I remove the ground to the city water- or
>> leave it alone?
>>
>
> Leave the connection to the pipes. The connection to the pipe is to ground
> the plumbing, not provide a ground for the electrical system.
>



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