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Gutters/Leaf Protection Kyle Boatright 07-13-2007
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Posted by Kyle Boatright on July 13, 2007, 10:33 pm
I've been planning to have our gutters replaced for some time. They are not
in the greatest shape (lots of slope problems), and collect a lot of leaves
and pine needles because they only have screens protecting the gutters.

My plan has been to replace the existing units with some sort of solid
gutter cover...

So, I got estimates from 3 sources. One of 'em got ruled out completely
because the price was the highest of the 3 and the offer was "good right now
only". I don't care what you're selling, I smell a sham or a sucker deal
when the offer is "only good right now".

I realize that none of these systems is perfect, and some debris may get
into the gutters anyway. I also realize that some water may come over the
top of the system in hard rains, particularly in places where roof valleys
meet the gutters. Even with these problems, I think the top cover is a
better solution than me climbing a 25' ladder 3 or 4 times a year and
reaching into a filthy, wet gutter to remove debris.

Anyway, what experiences have people had with Gutter Guard, Leafguard,
Gutter Helmet, etc?

Thanks in advance..

KB







Posted by Art on July 13, 2007, 11:00 pm
Leafguard works perfectly for me for both pines and hardwoods. Been up on
my house about 10 years and still perfectly clean. I had Gutter helmut in
my last house. A waste of money. Just made the gutters more difficult to
clean. The only problem with leafguard is that they are very expensive. One
guy posts here that they did not work for him at all and birds built nests
in his Leafguard gutters. I asked him to post a picture but he never did.
I am in NC. My father on Long Island with 6 large oak trees on a tiny lot
also had Leafguard installed as well as several neighbors and they all
worked well. They were cheaper on Long Island than in NC but I have
oversized downspouts whereas on Long Island they put in regular downspouts.
Also corners are expensive and my house has tons of them.


> I've been planning to have our gutters replaced for some time. They are
> not in the greatest shape (lots of slope problems), and collect a lot of
> leaves and pine needles because they only have screens protecting the
> gutters.
>
> My plan has been to replace the existing units with some sort of solid
> gutter cover...
>
> So, I got estimates from 3 sources. One of 'em got ruled out completely
> because the price was the highest of the 3 and the offer was "good right
> now only". I don't care what you're selling, I smell a sham or a sucker
> deal when the offer is "only good right now".
>
> I realize that none of these systems is perfect, and some debris may get
> into the gutters anyway. I also realize that some water may come over the
> top of the system in hard rains, particularly in places where roof valleys
> meet the gutters. Even with these problems, I think the top cover is a
> better solution than me climbing a 25' ladder 3 or 4 times a year and
> reaching into a filthy, wet gutter to remove debris.
>
> Anyway, what experiences have people had with Gutter Guard, Leafguard,
> Gutter Helmet, etc?
>
> Thanks in advance..
>
> KB
>
>
>
>
>
>



Posted by RicodJour on July 13, 2007, 11:42 pm
>
> Leafguard works perfectly for me for both pines and hardwoods. Been up on
> my house about 10 years and still perfectly clean. I had Gutter helmut in
> my last house. A waste of money. Just made the gutters more difficult to
> clean. The only problem with leafguard is that they are very expensive. One
> guy posts here that they did not work for him at all and birds built nests
> in his Leafguard gutters. I asked him to post a picture but he never did.
> I am in NC. My father on Long Island with 6 large oak trees on a tiny lot
> also had Leafguard installed as well as several neighbors and they all
> worked well. They were cheaper on Long Island than in NC but I have
> oversized downspouts whereas on Long Island they put in regular downspouts.
> Also corners are expensive and my house has tons of them.

That's been my experience as well. Leafguard works just fine. The
only people who I've ever heard bad mouth them were from a roofing
company that, surprise!, did gutter cleaning in the fall. I nearly
fell out of my shoes when they told me how much one gutter cleaning
crew made for the company in a week.

The Leafguards I've put up over the years have never clogged, and
never had birds build nest in them. That's _got_ to be an old wives'
tale. I suppose if you never get rain it could happen, but the first
rain and the nest would get washed away. Birds aren't that stupid.

I've had them under big pine trees and I thought that the needles
would build up and require periodic cleaning, but that hasn't
happened. I guess the needles just wash away in the next big rain.
I've checked on gutters that I had installed on one project 12 years
ago and the only thing in the bottom of the gutter was dust. Owner
has never had the gutters cleaned.

R


Posted by mike_0_007@hotmail.com on July 16, 2007, 9:56 am
> Leafguard works perfectly for me for both pines and hardwoods. Been up on
> my house about 10 years and still perfectly clean. I had Gutter helmut in
> my last house. A waste of money. Just made the gutters more difficult to
> clean. The only problem with leafguard is that they are very expensive. One
> guy posts here that they did not work for him at all and birds built nests
> in his Leafguard gutters. I asked him to post a picture but he never did.
> I am in NC. My father on Long Island with 6 large oak trees on a tiny lot
> also had Leafguard installed as well as several neighbors and they all
> worked well. They were cheaper on Long Island than in NC but I have
> oversized downspouts whereas on Long Island they put in regular downspouts.
> Also corners are expensive and my house has tons of them.
>
>
>
> > I've been planning to have our gutters replaced for some time. They are
> > not in the greatest shape (lots of slope problems), and collect a lot of
> > leaves and pine needles because they only have screens protecting the
> > gutters.
>
> > My plan has been to replace the existing units with some sort of solid
> > gutter cover...
>
> > So, I got estimates from 3 sources. One of 'em got ruled out completely
> > because the price was the highest of the 3 and the offer was "good right
> > now only". I don't care what you're selling, I smell a sham or a sucker
> > deal when the offer is "only good right now".
>
> > I realize that none of these systems is perfect, and some debris may get
> > into the gutters anyway. I also realize that some water may come over the
> > top of the system in hard rains, particularly in places where roof valleys
> > meet the gutters. Even with these problems, I think the top cover is a
> > better solution than me climbing a 25' ladder 3 or 4 times a year and
> > reaching into a filthy, wet gutter to remove debris.
>
> > Anyway, what experiences have people had with Gutter Guard, Leafguard,
> > Gutter Helmet, etc?
>
> > Thanks in advance..
>
> > KB

*I* posted on here that i had bird nests in 4 corners of my home, and
also explained that i felt
it was due to a faulty installation of the leafguard system. all
corners were open. the gutter installer was
a fly by nighter, came back once and did a quick and dirty fix that
fixed nothing, after that i contacted
leaf guard directly, was told don't worry, we stand behind our
products! yeah right. nothing ever
happened, no one ever came out to look at them, and i ended up pulling
them all off
and now am much happier with my open gutters and no birds.

I don't think i'm the person who was asked to post any pics. never
heard that
request.


Posted by RicodJour on July 16, 2007, 10:53 am
wrote:
>
> *I* posted on here that i had bird nests in 4 corners of my home, and
> also explained that i felt
> it was due to a faulty installation of the leafguard system. all
> corners were open. the gutter installer was
> a fly by nighter, came back once and did a quick and dirty fix that
> fixed nothing, after that i contacted
> leaf guard directly, was told don't worry, we stand behind our
> products! yeah right. nothing ever
> happened, no one ever came out to look at them, and i ended up pulling
> them all off
> and now am much happier with my open gutters and no birds.

Mike, I'm curious about your experience and have some questions and
observations.

You mentioned that the gutter installer was a fly-by-nighter - how did
he get the Leafguard gutters? They're proprietary gutters and work in
more or less protected areas, so was the installer the same person
that you bought the gutters from? Or did you have Leafguard come to
your house, roll the gutters to length, and then you had the fly-by-
nighter install them?

If the installer wasn't a Leafguard contractor, then I can understand
Leafguard's unwillingness to correct the other contractor's mistakes.
If it was a Leafguard contractor, they should have obviously stood
behind their product. You mentioned phone calls. I've found that
it's often necessary to leave that paper trail in case push comes to
shove. Did you send them a strongly worded letter, certified and
return receipt requested? I usually indicate a copy to my lawyer (or
make a lawyer up!) on the bottom of the letter.

It seems a shame to rip down $1600 of gutters unless the entire
installation was botched. Were the uncapped corners the only
problem? If so, Leafguard would have been more than happy to mail you
the caps and you could have installed all four in about half an hour.

I don't understand how anyone could put up gutters and not cap the
ends. I also don't understand how you would pay someone for an
incomplete job. What happened and how come you didn't object and
withhold payment?

R


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