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HDTV antennas & complaints james12321 08-20-2007
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Posted by on August 22, 2007, 3:16 am
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> >> >> >I heard that in another year or so we will all be forced to either
> >> >> >buy
> >> >> > a HDTV or buy a converter. Having all standard tv sets, and I am
> >> >> > neither able to afford a HDTV, nor am I impressed by their picture,
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > am not at all happy about this. I live in the country where the
> >> >> > only
> >> >> > means to get tv channels is to either spend half my paycheck on
> >> >> > satellite, or use an antenna on the roof. I chose the antenna, and
> >> >> > most of the time I get fairly good reception on a few local
> >> >> > channels.
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> >> >> > I suppose I will have no choice but to buy a convertor, but I surely
> >> >> > will make a big fuss about it with whatever governmental agency is
> >> >> > behind this conspiracy to promote the sales of HDTVs and the crappy
> >> >> > broken up and spotty pictures they produce. I sure hope that the
> >> >> > convertor will produce a better picture on a standard tv than that
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> >> >> > the actual hdtvs.
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> >> >> > Anyhow, my question is whether I will also have to buy a new rooftop
> >> >> > antenna. My present antenna broke during a windstorm and I
> >> >> > temporarily fixed it with some tubing and ducttape. I was planning
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > buy a new antenna when a friend told me that he thinks I will need a
> >> >> > HDTV antenna too, but was not sure if an old antenna would also
> >> >> > work.
> >> >> > Does anyone know? Will I be able to use the same rotor or does that
> >> >> > need to be changed too?
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> >> >> > If anyone knows what government agency to file a complaint about
> >> >> > this
> >> >> > HDTV conspiracy, please let me know. Tv channels have been the same
> >> >> > since the beginning of television, and now we got these republican
> >> >> > morons forcing us to change just so the HDTV companies can rob
> >> >> > people
> >> >> > charging them ten or more times the price of a regular tv and giving
> >> >> > them a lousy picture. Just the same story as always these days, pay
> >> >> > more, and get less..... I wonder how much money the republicans are
> >> >> > getting to shove this HDTV shit on us?
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> >> >> > James
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> >> >> Unless the program you are viewing on a HDTV is broadcast in HD, your
> >> >> picture will not be very good. If fact it probably wont be as good as
> >> >> the
> >> >> ones you receive on a regular TV set.
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> >> > And on what basis are you making this claim that a std def picture on
> >> > ATSC isn't going to look as good as it would on NTSC? The picture
> >> > should be better. No more ghosting, no more snow. Now, I'm sure
> >> > there are pathological cases, where the ATSC transmitter is located
> >> > somewhere different from the NTSC one, blocked, greater distance,
> >> > etc. But that is the exception, not typical.
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> >> From personal experience and the experiences of many family members and
> >> friends.
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> > Without clarification of what you were watching and on what eqpt, the
> > above statement is just about meaningless. For example,you could
> > take an ATSC signal that is being broadcast at low resolution, ie
> > programming that is not offered in HD and watch it on a 65" HDTV. Of
> > course that will look like crap, because you're blowing up a low
> > resolution signal. You could take the same programming in NTSC, put
> > it on the same big set and it will look like crap too. Put the same
> > thing on a small TV and it will look as good as NTSC. But some people
> > seeing it on the big TV attribute the problem to ATSC, or HDTV.
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> What's so difficult to understand? When a program is broadcast in HD and
> received on a HDTV the picture is fantastic, regardless of the TV size. If
> the program is not HD and it is received on a HDTV, the picture quality is
> not very good regardless of the screen size.

So, you think a std def source looks as good on a 65" HD Display as it
does on a 27" HD Display? Many people have bought big HD sets and
been shocked at how bad a std def cable source looks that looked fine
on their old 27" TV.



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> I spent many hours in a number of different stores looking at and finding
> out about the different HDTVs because I'm in the market to buy one. NTSC and
> ATSC are meaningless to me and I would bet to most other TV shoppers also.

To use your terminology, what's so difficult to understand? And it
would be a good idea to understand what the difference is. Would be
very bad to bring home a a set without an ATSC tuner if you expect to
use an antenna. Until recently, that was a very real problem.



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> I've been looking into HDTV's for a couple of years now, and the quality of
> HDTVs keep going up and the prices keep going down. By February of 2009,
> quality will most likely be even better and prices even lower.
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> >> >> picture will be extremely clear and beautiful when viewed on A HDTV,
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Posted by on August 20, 2007, 7:53 am
My roof antenna gets crystal clear HD signal. Better than satellite

On Aug 20, 4:18 am, james12...@none.com wrote:
> I heard that in another year or so we will all be forced to either buy
> a HDTV or buy a converter. Having all standard tv sets, and I am
> neither able to afford a HDTV, nor am I impressed by their picture, I
> am not at all happy about this. I live in the country where the only
> means to get tv channels is to either spend half my paycheck on
> satellite, or use an antenna on the roof. I chose the antenna, and
> most of the time I get fairly good reception on a few local channels.
>
> I suppose I will have no choice but to buy a convertor, but I surely
> will make a big fuss about it with whatever governmental agency is
> behind this conspiracy to promote the sales of HDTVs and the crappy
> broken up and spotty pictures they produce. I sure hope that the
> convertor will produce a better picture on a standard tv than that on
> the actual hdtvs.
>
> Anyhow, my question is whether I will also have to buy a new rooftop
> antenna. My present antenna broke during a windstorm and I
> temporarily fixed it with some tubing and ducttape. I was planning to
> buy a new antenna when a friend told me that he thinks I will need a
> HDTV antenna too, but was not sure if an old antenna would also work.
> Does anyone know? Will I be able to use the same rotor or does that
> need to be changed too?
>
> If anyone knows what government agency to file a complaint about this
> HDTV conspiracy, please let me know. Tv channels have been the same
> since the beginning of television, and now we got these republican
> morons forcing us to change just so the HDTV companies can rob people
> charging them ten or more times the price of a regular tv and giving
> them a lousy picture. Just the same story as always these days, pay
> more, and get less..... I wonder how much money the republicans are
> getting to shove this HDTV shit on us?
>
> James



Posted by Art Greenberg on August 20, 2007, 8:05 am
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:18:40 -0500, james12321@none.com wrote:
> I heard that in another year or so we will all be forced to either buy
> a HDTV or buy a converter. Having all standard tv sets, and I am
> neither able to afford a HDTV, nor am I impressed by their picture, I
> am not at all happy about this. I live in the country where the only
> means to get tv channels is to either spend half my paycheck on
> satellite, or use an antenna on the roof. I chose the antenna, and
> most of the time I get fairly good reception on a few local channels.
>
> I suppose I will have no choice but to buy a convertor, but I surely
> will make a big fuss about it with whatever governmental agency is
> behind this conspiracy to promote the sales of HDTVs and the crappy
> broken up and spotty pictures they produce. I sure hope that the
> convertor will produce a better picture on a standard tv than that on
> the actual hdtvs.
>
> Anyhow, my question is whether I will also have to buy a new rooftop
> antenna. My present antenna broke during a windstorm and I
> temporarily fixed it with some tubing and ducttape. I was planning to
> buy a new antenna when a friend told me that he thinks I will need a
> HDTV antenna too, but was not sure if an old antenna would also work.
> Does anyone know? Will I be able to use the same rotor or does that
> need to be changed too?
>
> If anyone knows what government agency to file a complaint about this
> HDTV conspiracy, please let me know. Tv channels have been the same
> since the beginning of television, and now we got these republican
> morons forcing us to change just so the HDTV companies can rob people
> charging them ten or more times the price of a regular tv and giving
> them a lousy picture. Just the same story as always these days, pay
> more, and get less..... I wonder how much money the republicans are
> getting to shove this HDTV shit on us?
>
> James

Check out http://www.dtv.gov

--
Art Greenberg
artg at eclipse dot net


Posted by HeyBub on August 20, 2007, 8:38 am
james12321@none.com wrote:
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> If anyone knows what government agency to file a complaint about this
> HDTV conspiracy, please let me know. Tv channels have been the same
> since the beginning of television, and now we got these republican
> morons forcing us to change just so the HDTV companies can rob people
> charging them ten or more times the price of a regular tv and giving
> them a lousy picture. Just the same story as always these days, pay
> more, and get less..... I wonder how much money the republicans are
> getting to shove this HDTV shit on us?
>

Sorry, it was the Democrat morons. The whole enchilada was approved by the
FCC in December 1966.

When the FCC is run by Republicans, they tend to let the market sort things
out, rather than edict and fiat from Washington.



Posted by on August 20, 2007, 9:28 am
> james12...@none.com wrote:
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it was the Democrat morons. The whole enchilada was approved by the
> FCC in December 1966.
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> When the FCC is run by Republicans, they tend to let the market sort things
> out, rather than edict and fiat from Washington.



Yeah, it amazes me how somebody so ignorant of everything about HDTV
immediately tries to blame this on Republicans. The move to digital
broadcasting was begun years ago, was fully vetted before many
Congresses and the actual standards we're using today were put in
place in 1995, when Clinton was in office.

To address the issues raised:

"I heard that in another year or so we will all be forced to either
buy
a HDTV or buy a converter. "

The deadline for turn off of over the air NTSC broadcasting is now set
for 2/09. It's been pushed out before and could be pushed out again.



" Having all standard tv sets, and I am
neither able to afford a HDTV, nor am I impressed by their picture, I
am not at all happy about this. I live in the country where the only
means to get tv channels is to either spend half my paycheck on
satellite, or use an antenna on the roof. I chose the antenna, and
most of the time I get fairly good reception on a few local channels.
"

You don't need an HDTV. All you need is an ATSC digital tuner which
will deliver a signal compatible with your existing TV. The govt has
approved a plan to give consumers two $40 coupons that can be used
toward the purchase of two converter boxes. These tuners are already
available for under $100, and will likely be $50-75 by the time you
need them.



"I suppose I will have no choice but to buy a convertor, but I surely
will make a big fuss about it with whatever governmental agency is
behind this conspiracy to promote the sales of HDTVs and the crappy
broken up and spotty pictures they produce. I sure hope that the
convertor will produce a better picture on a standard tv than that on
the actual hdtvs. "

So, you expect your current TV, which displays at NTSC resolution,
which is a max of 480 lines, to display a better picture than a new
HDTV set that displays at 1080 lines? I doubt you have even seen an
HDTV set, with a true HDTV source or you wouldn't think it looks like
crap. There are tens of millions of then out there and the look
great,




"Anyhow, my question is whether I will also have to buy a new rooftop
antenna. "

Probably not. If you have a decent VHF/UHF antenna, it should work
fine. Just about all digital is now on UHF, so that is the most
important part.




" My present antenna broke during a windstorm and I
temporarily fixed it with some tubing and ducttape. I was planning
to
buy a new antenna when a friend told me that he thinks I will need a
HDTV antenna too, but was not sure if an old antenna would also work.
Does anyone know? Will I be able to use the same rotor or does that
need to be changed too?"

Rotor has nothing to do with ATSC or NTSC, it just points the
antenna. Check out antennaweb.org, where you can put in your zipcode
and find out where the transmitters are located.


"If anyone knows what government agency to file a complaint about
this
HDTV conspiracy, please let me know. Tv channels have been the same
since the beginning of television, and now we got these republican
morons forcing us to change just so the HDTV companies can rob people
charging them ten or more times the price of a regular tv and giving
them a lousy picture. Just the same story as always these days, pay
more, and get less..... I wonder how much money the republicans are
getting to shove this HDTV shit on us? "


If you want to bitch, I suggest calling your Congressman and
Senators. But only if their Democrats. LOL




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