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HDTV antennas & complaints james12321 08-20-2007
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Posted by Puddin' Man on August 21, 2007, 3:42 pm
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:16:46 -0000, trader4@optonline.net wrote:

>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:59:33 -0000, trad...@optonline.net wrote:

...

>> >If you have cable, the improvement will cost you zippo. The cable box
>> >already supplies NTSC, S Video, Component, whatever you're using.
>> >That isn't going to change.
>>
>> 'Scuse me, but how in the hull do *you* know what Comcast, TW,
>> Charter, etc are going to do in the coming years? Some doubt they
>> know they-own-selves.
>
>Look, first, it's not years away, ATSC is already up and running.
>HDTV programming is available right now through OTA, cable, and Sat.
>It coexists with std def right now. You can watch much of prime time
>in HD or std right now via cable. All those cable companies now
>deliver a signal that works with your NTSC TV. And the signal from
>most cable companies is already digital to the set top box, regardless
>of whether the output is NTSC or HD. In Feb 2009, the only thing
>that happens is NTSC OTA gets turned off.

Sounds like a sales pitch to me. Kinda like doin' the Funky Chicken
to dance around the stated Q ("how in the hull do *you* know ...")
which you cannot answer.

>If you don't believe me, call your cable company and ask or do a bit
>of research on the web.

Sho'ly, sho'ly. The cable co. is famous for taking great pains
to precisely define the technologies that they are cramming down
their customer's throats. :-)

And, no, I'll not be "researching" any sales pitches in the web.

>>
>> Several years ago I could get premium (HBO, etc) channels on my NTSC
>> tuners. Not no' mo': gotta have a (Charter) Digital-Garbage Box (and
>> pay rent on it).
>
>I assure you that you can get it right now.

Premium cable channels with only an NTSC tuner (no set-top box)?

>Just call up and pay for
>it instead of stealing it.

"Steal Yo Mama! And Granma too!!" :-)

I pay for what I get and I get what I pay for. And I'm not buying
the super-hyped garbage that you are selling.

>> Last I looked, there were incentives for cable vendors to further
>> convert to "digital". Not directly connected to the 2009 ATSC
>> changeover.
>
>That's right, the incentives are to cram more channels down that
>pipe. It's been going on, it works, so why should we expect it's
>gonna disappear, just because broadcasters shutdown the NTSC
>transmitters?

He thinks he's "The Oracle On The Mound" and can foresee all
eventualities. Doesn't even need to address specific issues
(per the above).

I think he's a troll or a spammer or both.

P

"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
-Friedrich Schiller

AppliancePartsPros.com, Inc.
Posted by on August 21, 2007, 4:48 pm
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:16:46 -0000, trad...@optonline.net wrote:
> >> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:59:33 -0000, trad...@optonline.net wrote:
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> >> >If you have cable, the improvement will cost you zippo. The cable box
> >> >already supplies NTSC, S Video, Component, whatever you're using.
> >> >That isn't going to change.
>
> >> 'Scuse me, but how in the hull do *you* know what Comcast, TW,
> >> Charter, etc are going to do in the coming years? Some doubt they
> >> know they-own-selves.
>
> >Look, first, it's not years away, ATSC is already up and running.
> >HDTV programming is available right now through OTA, cable, and Sat.
> >It coexists with std def right now. You can watch much of prime time
> >in HD or std right now via cable. All those cable companies now
> >deliver a signal that works with your NTSC TV. And the signal from
> >most cable companies is already digital to the set top box, regardless
> >of whether the output is NTSC or HD. In Feb 2009, the only thing
> >that happens is NTSC OTA gets turned off.
>
> Sounds like a sales pitch to me. Kinda like doin' the Funky Chicken
> to dance around the stated Q ("how in the hull do *you* know ...")
> which you cannot answer.
>

Not a sales pitch. I don't care what you choose to do or watch. Just
pointing out that despite your efforts to spread FUD, there isn't some
big unknown gotcha out there for cable customers.


> >If you don't believe me, call your cable company and ask or do a bit
> >of research on the web.
>
> Sho'ly, sho'ly. The cable co. is famous for taking great pains
> to precisely define the technologies that they are cramming down
> their customer's throats. :-)




>
> And, no, I'll not be "researching" any sales pitches in the web.
>

Yeah, better to stay ignorant, and cast FUD around instead of making a
simple phone call or looking on the web for info pertaining to your
own cable company.






>
> >> Several years ago I could get premium (HBO, etc) channels on my NTSC
> >> tuners. Not no' mo': gotta have a (Charter) Digital-Garbage Box (and
> >> pay rent on it).
>
> >I assure you that you can get it right now.
>
> Premium cable channels with only an NTSC tuner (no set-top box)?
>
> >Just call up and pay for
> >it instead of stealing it.
>
> "Steal Yo Mama! And Granma too!!" :-)
>
> I pay for what I get and I get what I pay for. And I'm not buying
> the super-hyped garbage that you are selling.


Again, not selling anything here.

>
> >> Last I looked, there were incentives for cable vendors to further
> >> convert to "digital". Not directly connected to the 2009 ATSC
> >> changeover.
>
> >That's right, the incentives are to cram more channels down that
> >pipe. It's been going on, it works, so why should we expect it's
> >gonna disappear, just because broadcasters shutdown the NTSC
> >transmitters?
>
> He thinks he's "The Oracle On The Mound" and can foresee all
> eventualities. Doesn't even need to address specific issues
> (per the above).

More FUD about "eventualites". Like the cable companies can't figure
out how the turnoff of NTSC broadcasting is going to impact them and
how they will accomodate it? And what specific issue would that be
that I haven't adressed?


>
> I think he's a troll or a spammer or both.
>
> P
>
> "Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
> -Friedrich Schiller- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



Posted by George on August 21, 2007, 7:11 am
Puddin' Man wrote:

>
> 'Scuse me, but how in the hull do *you* know what Comcast, TW,
> Charter, etc are going to do in the coming years? Some doubt they
> know they-own-selves.

Comcast already announced that the FCC is requiring them to discontinue
all analog channels (not true, the FCC is only requiring broadcasters to
do that) and will require everyone to get a digital box. They have
already done this in a few markets (with one a really big one).


>
> Several years ago I could get premium (HBO, etc) channels on my NTSC
> tuners. Not no' mo': gotta have a (Charter) Digital-Garbage Box (and
> pay rent on it).
>
> Last I looked, there were incentives for cable vendors to further
> convert to "digital". Not directly connected to the 2009 ATSC
> changeover.
>
> ...
>
> Puddin'
>
> "Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
> -Friedrich Schiller

Posted by jJim McLaughlin on August 20, 2007, 6:24 pm
trader4@optonline.net wrote:
> wrote:
>
>>trad...@optonline.net wrote:
>>
>>SNIP HAPPENS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>You don't need an HDTV. All you need is an ATSC digital tuner which
>>>will deliver a signal compatible with your existing TV. The govt has
>>>approved a plan to give consumers two $40 coupons that can be used
>>>toward the purchase of two converter boxes. These tuners are already
>>>available for under $100, and will likely be $50-75 by the time you
>>>need them.
>>
>>Interesting. First I have heard of the coupon thing. Sure hope it
>>happens.
>>There are 8 NTSC TVs in this house, as well as 3 NTSC VCRs. All
>>are on a Comcast "Basic" cale, not HD cable.
>>
>>I am *not* looking forward to what this "improvement" is going to cost me.
>
>
> If you have cable, the improvement will cost you zippo. The cable box
> already supplies NTSC, S Video, Component, whatever you're using.
> That isn't going to change. The only folks impacted are those that
> receive NTSC over the air.

I did not know that.

Thanks for the good news.

>
> The coupon thing is a done deal. You can google or check the FCC.
>

I'll look forward to seeing if there is a secondary market for the coupons.

Posted by aemeijers on August 20, 2007, 7:25 pm

> trader4@optonline.net wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
(snip)
>>>are on a Comcast "Basic" cale, not HD cable.
>>>
>>>I am *not* looking forward to what this "improvement" is going to cost
>>>me.
>>
>>
>> If you have cable, the improvement will cost you zippo. The cable box
>> already supplies NTSC, S Video, Component, whatever you're using.
>> That isn't going to change. The only folks impacted are those that
>> receive NTSC over the air.
>
> I did not know that.
>
> Thanks for the good news.
>
Uh, not entirely true- in some areas served by the biggies, and especially
tiny 'house' cable systems like some apartments use, if you only have basic
cable, no set-top box is involved. 1 cable, wall jack to 'cable ready' TV.
(the apartments I lived in until recently were like that, and the basic
cable my sister had at her house were like that.) Or are they going to start
converting the signal at the head end before they send it down the wire?

aem sends....



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